AMD Catalyst Will Not Support Wayland Anytime Soon

[pingufunkybeat]

I only posted one claim: blobs offer more features than open drivers (and I believe the link I posted is proof enough of that). I never said open drivers are worthless, just they are forever locked in a game of catch up. My only gripe is people continuously repeating "blobs should die".

PS: I said you don't get OpenGL4, you said you don't need that anyway - that's sour grapes.

No, it would be sour grapes if there were actually an app under Linux which used OpenGL in any way. The only thing I can think of are the Unigine tech demos, and I seriously don't need that.

There is simply nothing that needs OpenGL4 on Linux. It's different with OpenCL and powersaving, which are real needs and should hopefully be resolved soon.

[LinuxID10T]

All you guys keep forgetting the lack of decent anti aliasing with the open source drivers. I mean, it has been around forever now and the only thing we have is primitive compared to the closed source drivers. Although, it wouldn't matter much anyway since it would make games completely unplayable slow (not that they aren't already.)

[bug77]

I don't follow. I can run every single program I need to run using open drivers and performance is acceptable, if not stellar.

You posted a bunch of claims that you can't support with any facts to support your position that open drivers are worthless.

Yes, dynpm and OpenCL could use some work (but they're moving along nicely), as could performance, but the drivers are not only fine for everyday use, I find them better than the blob in terms of important aspects like stability and maintainability. So no sour grapes here, I'm not the one making outrageous claims against a driver I don't even use.

I only posted one claim: blobs offer more features than open drivers (and I believe the link I posted is proof enough of that). I never said open drivers are worthless, just they are forever locked in a game of catch up. My only gripe is people continuously repeating "blobs should die".

PS: I said you don't get OpenGL4, you said you don't need that anyway - that's sour grapes.

[pingufunkybeat]

Ah, the sour grapes argument. Now you're making sense.

I don't follow. I can run every single program I need to run using open drivers and performance is acceptable, if not stellar.

You posted a bunch of claims that you can't support with any facts to support your position that open drivers are worthless.

Yes, dynpm and OpenCL could use some work (but they're moving along nicely), as could performance, but the drivers are not only fine for everyday use, I find them better than the blob in terms of important aspects like stability and maintainability. So no sour grapes here, I'm not the one making outrageous claims against a driver I don't even use.

[entropy]

According to your logic Mac OS has not a single proper driver since they only have OpenGL 3.3.

Mountain Lion features OpenGL 3.2 only.

[bug77]

You need moer than OpenGL 3? Really? What do you use?

You can't name 3 programs for Linux that require anything more than GL3. So it's a very pointless "feature". OpenCL and dynpm are much more important.

Ah, the sour grapes argument. Now you're making sense.

[ChrisXY]

Really? You have OpenGL 4 support and power management that works for all cards? In this case, I stand corrected.

According to your logic Mac OS has not a single proper driver since they only have OpenGL 3.3.

Also, please do start on performance. Please do.

[russofris]

GL3 is neither important enough to justify the snark, nor so unimportant that we have to resort to the childlike "name 3" argument.

The OSS drivers are coming along. They work well for a number of configurations and implementations. They fall short in a relevant number of other implementations. They have yet to fully implement a number of features (UVD, Audio, PM, etc) . The current focus (JB correct me if I am wrong) seems to be on OGL/EGL development, stability, OpenCL, and modesetting. If you are interested in contributing, I would recommend that you pick up Audio, UVD (via OpenCL since AMD will not release the documentation), or power-managment/reclocking.

There's really no reason for the exchange of words that is taking place. We're all happy that FGLRX works for some people. We're all happy that DRI/MESA works for others. The place we want to be is where everyone is happy with DRI/MESA regardless of whatever state FGLRX happens to be in.

If you are going to run Linux, try the FOSS drivers. If you find that they are not to your liking, for any reason, describe your issue in a bug report and fall back on FGLRX. Retry the FOSS drivers whenever your distro's release cycle ends, or when you receive confirmation that your issue has been resolved.

And chill.

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[pingufunkybeat]

Superior in some ways. Stability, multi-screen support (xrandr), working out-of-the-box, for example.

Phoronix only publishes Quake3 FPS numbers. There are people out there who use their computers for other things.

[Temar]

You got that backwards. The blobs are NO REAL ALTERNATIVE to the vastly superior open source drivers.

You have to be living in a different universe.

In my universe not even the developers of the OSS drivers would call them "vastly superior to the binary blob". Also, in my universe Phoronix regulary publishes benchmarks where the binary blobs crushes the OSS driver in every aspect.