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Originally posted by tomas View Post
Yes, of course I know that. They were rhetorical questions in response to the non-rethorical question from pal666.
Anyway, it increased my post count. (There is any post # ranking to game it?)
I'm curious about what companies/developers are benefited by the Kronos decison...
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Originally posted by tomas View PostWhy would Intel or AMD contract someone or have its own team write code in Mesa that is used by its competitors?
The balance shifts a bit with vulkan, given that it is a lower level API. But even the vulkan drivers in mesa share a lot (mostly nir, but also wsi and other utils)
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Originally posted by tomas View PostWhy would Red Hat contract someone or have its own team write code that is used by its competitors?
Originally posted by tomas View PostWhy would Intel or AMD contract someone or have its own team write code in Mesa that is used by its competitors?
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Originally posted by juarezr View Post
A: Software Commoditization?
When you sell hardware, writing supporting software is another cost.
So sharing common software parts between vendors cuts the effort needed for building the whole software/driver/ecosystem.
It already works in many others business around the world like fuel distribution, etc...
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Originally posted by tomas View Post
Why would Red Hat contract someone or have its own team write code that is used by its competitors?
Why would Intel or AMD contract someone or have its own team write code in Mesa that is used by its competitors?
When you sell hardware, writing supporting software is another cost.
So sharing common software parts between vendors cuts the effort needed for building the whole software/driver/ecosystem.
It already works in many others business around the world like fuel distribution, etc...
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Originally posted by pal666 View Postwhy would nvidia contract someone or have its own team to do driver for competitors?
Why would Intel or AMD contract someone or have its own team write code in Mesa that is used by its competitors?
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Originally posted by timofonic View PostNext moves that could also make Khronos standards gain even more adoption:
- Proactively support Free/ Open Source Software projects, drivers or relevant software (game engiines, 3D modeling such as Blender, Libreoffice, CAD, CAE such as KiCad, etc): Have their own teams, contract companies (such as Collabora and Igalia, etc), efforts similar to Google Summer of Code, etc.
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Originally posted by timofonic View PostNext moves that could also make Khronos standards gain even more adoption:
- Proactively support Free/ Open Source Software projects, drivers or relevant software (game engiines, 3D modeling such as Blender, Libreoffice, CAD, CAE such as KiCad, etc): Have their own teams, contract companies (such as Collabora and Igalia, etc), efforts similar to Google Summer of Code, etc.
- Merge standards and avoid segmentation as much as possible. My dream is they make Vulkan a DirectX competitor but a lot better and even covering lots more areas.
- Convert it an open standard accepted by both national and international standards bodies: ISO, ECMA, BDS, ANSI, ACM, etc.
- Make it a totally open standard, without fees but requiring certified processes. Concentrate on courses and education instead, just like others do.
- Make Free/Open Source projects be part of technical and other decisions in Khronos, not second grade citizens please.
1. The first one is very ressource intensive. Part of the problem is the organizational structure of Khronos, they are dependent on the will (and the funding) of their members and to reach large consensus and get the funds to promote some of these is hard, I suppose.
2. Vulkan is already a DirectX competitior, could you elaborate more which areas need to be covered additionally?
3. What gain should this bring? Vulkan is driven by hardware and software companies and governed by them, I don't see any additional benefit here to bring this forward to the standard bodies you mentioned.
4. While not free, Khronos membership payments are pocket money for large companies and if I remember correctly they already waive fees for individuals who want to participate. I guess they need the fees to refinance some of their efforts (such as Nr. 1 would consume more of).
5. I wonder if this is not already possible to a certain degree, see Nr. 4. What they don't want is that a large number of these projects could overrule the established hard- and software companies on technical decisions, I can understand this as having to implement some features could be more costly than others.
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Next moves that could also make Khronos standards gain even more adoption:
- Proactively support Free/ Open Source Software projects, drivers or relevant software (game engiines, 3D modeling such as Blender, Libreoffice, CAD, CAE such as KiCad, etc): Have their own teams, contract companies (such as Collabora and Igalia, etc), efforts similar to Google Summer of Code, etc.
- Merge standards and avoid segmentation as much as possible. My dream is they make Vulkan a DirectX competitor but a lot better and even covering lots more areas.
- Convert it an open standard accepted by both national and international standards bodies: ISO, ECMA, BDS, ANSI, ACM, etc.
- Make it a totally open standard, without fees but requiring certified processes. Concentrate on courses and education instead, just like others do.
- Make Free/Open Source projects be part of technical and other decisions in Khronos, not second grade citizens please.
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