Actually I am pleased with these news, especially if that means better support with their binary driver.
Currently, I am owner of two ATi Radeon cards, none of which I can use to its full potential, thanks to 'excellent' AMD drivers.
On the other hand, all NVIDIA cards have excellent support with their binary driver, so one can use its card to its full potential - and that is what drivers are for, isn't it?
This summer I'm definitely buying a Fermi graphics card...
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostThe problem remains that, if not for the valiant efforts of nouveau developers, it would be impossible to run nVidia hardware on an open-source operating system, other than in text mode or using the most basic VESA functionality.
I'd be surprised if the modern gear with the nv driver provided a better experience than the 10 year old gear save for maybe hard-drive performance.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAll other major vendors are providing open-source drivers of varying quality, or at least providing specs.
For sure they provide a more compelling experience than does the nv driver. But that would be extremely easy. Again I would argue that the nv driver has never provided anything that would embarrass a 10 year old computer.
Now if you compare the open drivers to the binary blobs of either AMD or nVidia you'll find them left wanting in various areas. When you're talking about the nVidia blob specifically, the open drivers look pretty sad in comparison.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostIt's not a battle about not allowing anybody to run proprietary software -- I'm fine with anyone running whatever they want.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostIt's about not allowing anybody to run a completely open-source system,
Are there any vendors providing completely unfettered access to their hardware documentation? If not then they are only being more open than nVidia, but not completely open so they would be at least partially guilty of what you claim nVidia are guilty of. Last time I checked even Intel were filtering all their info through their legal team.
I might add that if your ideology is all about open development, where are all of the calls to the hardware guys to provide open source hardware? I'm sure someone who is so for open development would be prepared to forgo a lot of CPU throughput in order to have an open CPU design.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Postand getting pissy when people actually try.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAnd without the reverse-engineering achievements of nouveau (many of them are paid by RedHat, I believe), it would be impossible to run nVidia hardware on an open-source system.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostWhy should I have to inject tens of megabytes of closed-source whatnot straight into the kernel in order to draw a pixel? :/
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAnd this is horrible.
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The problem remains that, if not for the valiant efforts of nouveau developers, it would be impossible to run nVidia hardware on an open-source operating system, other than in text mode or using the most basic VESA functionality.
All other major vendors are providing open-source drivers of varying quality, or at least providing specs.
It's not a battle about not allowing anybody to run proprietary software -- I'm fine with anyone running whatever they want.
It's about not allowing anybody to run a completely open-source system, and getting pissy when people actually try. And without the reverse-engineering achievements of nouveau (many of them are paid by RedHat, I believe), it would be impossible to run nVidia hardware on an open-source system. Why should I have to inject tens of megabytes of closed-source whatnot straight into the kernel in order to draw a pixel? :/
And this is horrible.
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostNo, Linux himself is very clear about closed-source not belonging anywhere near the kernel, and is kicking out all proprietary firmware out of the kernel tree as we speak.
There is a difference between using a proprietary program on top of a completely open-source system, and needing a proprietary blob to see a pixel, let alone watch a movie or use 3D.
Also I get the feeling that the majority of kernel developers seem to have a pretty pragmatic view of things when it comes to the reality and necessity at least at the moment of proprietary drivers.
(Quote is from the Linux Foundation.)
Are the kernel developers expecting vendors to Open Source the code for all their binary drivers?
While we feel that opening those drivers would be desirable, we recognize that such a step may actually be impossible in some cases since a lot of binary drivers contain code from a variety of different sources whose permission would have to be sought before the code could be released. However, for these cases we do ask that vendors help us to provide an open source driver for their product; we have the resources of the Linux Driver Project to do this, all we ask is for documentation (which may even be provided under NDA using the Linux Foundation NDA Program to assuage intellectual property concerns).
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Originally posted by deanjoNo I don't think it misses the point. Linus himself admits that linux's future lies in a shade of grey.
There is a difference between using a proprietary program on top of a completely open-source system, and needing a proprietary blob to see a pixel, let alone watch a movie or use 3D.
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Originally posted by deanjoand have decided to maintain the best performing, non-sacrificing feature rich, solution in linux.
Or providing the best performing beef steak at a hindu wedding.
At least they provide an alternative -- the VESA driver.
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Again, kraftman, rhetoric! Linux is obviously the best solution for us, but commercial and global community feeling is definitely opposed to it.
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Originally posted by synthil View PostThen use their software. What's the point of using Linux, a clearly inferior solution to proprietary ones such as Windows 7 and Mac OS X?
If I wanted the best desktop experience (and indeed the best 3D experience), then I'd migrate to Apple software.
If I wanted the best 3D gaming experience, then I'd migrate to Windows. But I don't.
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