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They're too busy scoring big wins in the mobile sector to worry about the relatively minuscule number of open source desktop users.
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Linux user responds to nVidia's empty respons to Linus' hasr words below.
Still haven't heared nVidia do something about their SUCKING.
My stance regarding nVidia is therefore still:
FUCK YOU, nFailia!
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Originally posted by tecknurd View PostYou need to read the legend before coming here to correct me.
There are many features that the open source Radeon driver does not support yet.
It seems you do not see those features listed as TODO and this means it needs those features to be compatible with OpenGL spec or provide the features the Windows drivers includes.
As it stands right now the open source Radeon driver is not ready for production systems. It is OK to use for simple 2D tasks, but for OpenGL will have a problem.
Gamers or users running 3D applications should still use nVidia graphic cards to ease playing their games or using 3D applications in Linux since nVidia's close source drivers are ready for production if you like them or not.Last edited by hal2k1; 28 June 2012, 06:24 AM.
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I think there are two camps here (open and blob) which use the same language but a different dictionary. Let me explain:
Open Good: works stable, secure, gives enough features to be perfectly usable "It just works", good integration with Linux kernel mechanisms. Perfect for production usage on the desktop. High speed desktop effects. Everything might not work in the driver, but is useable nontheless because for example video can run perfectly, without tearing, in software. There are no fancy gimmicks and uber framerates, but that's less irritating than the shortcommings of the blob (like slower boot, no KMS, less security, upgrade limiting in time, lifespan, etc.)
Blob Good: gigantic full spectrum latest standards and protocol support, massive optimal compute power, full video acceleration, shiny graphics, gimmick support (3D bullshit and "EyeFinity" 3+ screen support, etc.
So when we are discussing "superiority", first ask yourself superiority in WHAT.
What's superior for me is the open definition of Good. Blobs can be better at their stuff that I couldn't give a rats ass about, because if I supstract $99 for an Apple TV and $250 from an Xbox360, from a $400 Crysis nVidia card, I'm still left with $50 spare for actually buying games and renting movies, or modding my Xbox in the case I'm not into buying anything. And even then I don't have to upgrade the console as much as I would have to upgrade my GPU. Capiche?
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Originally posted by hal2k1 View PostAu contraire, here is the feature matrix for the open source radeon driver:
Green means "done".
Yellow "WIP" means work-in-progress. Most of the time this means new work is required as such a feature does not exist anywhere (e.g. Video Decode {XvMC/VDPAU/VA-API} on the 3D engine, this doesn't exist anywhere, not even on Windows).
Red "TODO" means no documentation has been provided for that feature (e.g. Video Decode {XvMC/VDPAU/VA-API} on UVD hardware).
There is very little missing from this feature matrix because of the reason you imagined, to whit: "open source community is not fast enough to keep up with the changes that need to be done". This is for the most part simply untrue, that is NOT the reason why missing features are missing.
YELLOW "means that it is implemented but has some known bugs." It explains it self. The feature with this has bugs which means unstable for production.
RED "means that someone needs to write the code. The required knowledge to write the code may or may not be known. Please ask on #radeon if you want to get your feet wet on this." This means nobody has been scheduled to handle that type of feature and nobody knows if it can actually be supported for each Radeon model.
Radeon graphics does support video hardware decode since the first Radeon model in Windows, but ATI at the time wrote it so horrible that it was unstable in Windows. AMD not providing any documentation for UVD just prove that I am right that not even AMD is willing to be completely open source to the community. This may change, but I still doubt it.
You need to read the legend before coming here to correct me.
There are many features that the open source Radeon driver does not support yet. It seems you do not see those features listed as TODO and this means it needs those features to be compatible with OpenGL spec or provide the features the Windows drivers includes. As it stands right now the open source Radeon driver is not ready for production systems. It is OK to use for simple 2D tasks, but for OpenGL will have a problem. Gamers or users running 3D applications should still use nVidia graphic cards to ease playing their games or using 3D applications in Linux since nVidia's close source drivers are ready for production if you like them or not.
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Originally posted by kotakotakota View PostLenovo Thinkpad T420. It's about a year old I think.
But this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2008824 and 1000's of other users, wth many posts similar are gambling whether or not this or that newer model can switch it properly ?
Linux on a new Laptop, especially a powerful one with an expen$ive Nvidia-gpu, should NOT be a gamble for new users.
Until Nvidia provides a "proper" Optimus driver solution for Linux, this will always remain an Nvidia/Intel/WinBlowz party only. They are basically saying NO to a powerful Linux Laptop-Worstation choice for Linux users.
.... hence, Nvidia <- fu_k you!
A couple years ago, only a handful of these incorporated Optimess, but those days are long gone, because all the newer laptops,... will have it, whether we want it, or not.
I actually just picked up a cheap-used Dell Precision M90 purposely (with nvidia Quadro-FX2500M) -Lol. Everthing is just there though -Linux, (or any of the *BSD's), X with 3d glx nvidia driver... all working smoothly.Last edited by scjet; 28 June 2012, 01:39 AM.
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Originally posted by scjet View PostYa?, well then post the make and model, how old is it ?.... please.
Because ALL "newer", and future laptops with nvidia have Optimus (hard-wried), which is "useless" for Linux right now.Last edited by kotakotakota; 27 June 2012, 11:37 PM.
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Originally posted by kotakotakota View PostJust a note, some BIOS do let you choose to disable Optimus and manually specify which GPU you want to use. I did that on my Thinkpad and works great.
Because ALL "newer", and future laptops with nvidia have Optimus (hard-wried), which is "useless" for Linux right now.
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Originally posted by scjet View PostYou "think" ??? -go think with your own $1799.00 bub. Seriously, unless its a couple years old, OR, it's the newer i think? -lol Nvidia GPU/AMD CPU Laptops?, then nope.
So, sadly enough, we're all stuck with an utterly USELESS "new" Optimus Laptop,..., for Linux.
Even "Clevo",... and/or any of the very few remaining others are building them all "with" Optimus now. - NO choice, 'cause it's hardwired, no thanks to Intel/Nvidia/Microsoft.
So ya, I aggree with Linus: "Nvidia, fuck-you !"
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Originally posted by johnc View PostI think NVIDIA has picked up on these market trends and is trying to diversify its way out of the gaming niche. They wanted to go the x86 IGP route but Intel said no... so they're looking at using the ARM architecture instead (Project Denver). If they can pull that off they'll be in a good position. They've focused heavily on the mobile space (and have established themselves as a big player in that market). GPGPU computing appears to be an important part of their strategy and it looks like they're going to dabble in cloud gaming as well (a bit risky).
The interesting thing is that Linux will probably be the cornerstone of all of those avenues.
But that better be fully open documentation, because otherwise that succes will be shortlived when consumers find out that buying nVidia means upgrading whenever nVidia thinks it's time to upgrade while the consumer might not want that yet. That would result in "never buying nVidia again!". Or at least having open source support ready at blob support discontinuation of the product.
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