Loongson Begins Posting Linux Patches For 3A6000 Series CPUs

[Estranged1906]

That's the Chinese claim. Once the code was introduced to support LoongArch, however, kernel devs have pointed out that at least some of LoongArch ISA support code is a direct copy of MIPS and just a fork of MIPS64 R6. I'm more inclined to believe the kernel devs than I am marketing material from Loongson who's actually owned by their Institute of Computer Technology under the auspices of the Chinese Academies of Science itself a branch of the PRC government.

Kinda have to keep in mind that the PRC is desperate to wean themselves off US and other Western technology companies like Intel, AMD, and ARM but they don't have a lot of creative types. Every time a Chinese company makes a product announcement they compare it favorably to the point of outperforming the products they're trying replace to make sure their companies and especially the CCP save face in front of their internal populace. Western developers aren't beholden to follow the CCP script however, so sometimes big lies, like LoongArch and the LoongISA are entirely internally created, are exposed. No one in the West cares about China saving face when they try to spin a Big One, however, except those corporations with their hand in the PRC's cookie jar.

Reminds me of Huawei's HarmonyOS which they originally claimed was a completely new OS but it actually turned out to be a rebranded version of Android.

[xen0n]

Reminds me of Huawei's HarmonyOS which they originally claimed was a completely new OS but it actually turned out to be a rebranded version of Android.

It's a bit more complex than that. Longtime Chinese industry watchers would probably know there are "2 Harmonies": the HarmonyOS which indeed can be seen as a heavily modified AOSP that retains good compatibility with the other Androids, and the other OpenHarmony (sometimes known by the abbreviation "ohos") that's a layered design with either Linux or their LiteOS as the kernel, and a novel API/framework layer. False marketing and roadmap changes have led many to believe HarmonyOS is the ground-up rewrite, while in fact it's not.

[stormcrow]

Another dumbfuck who quotes one line from a kernel dev making claims that it's a copy of MIPS while demanding that Chinese developers make Loongarch behave more like MIPS by nitpicking on how Loongarch does things differently from MIPS.

The Loongson company claimed otherwise that it's 100% original and internal. Who's the liar? But you keep throwing personal insults. That makes everything nice and tidy, Trumpist.

[NovenTheHero]

I don't care who is lying, I just would kill to be able to see it because it seems to only be available with the people creating it.

[stormcrow]

I don't care who is lying, I just would kill to be able to see it because it seems to only be available with the people creating it.

The ISA is laid out in the Linux kernel docs in as far as what the Linux kernel cares about. Loongson has their own Github repository laying out the ISA and architectural notes. I know it's not the same as having your hands on hardware, but I'd be surprised if they marketed the devices outside of the PRC and its sphere of influence. Probably not a lot of external interest except for intelligence agencies and a very few hardware junkies wanting to pry into whatever spyware Loongson products have (mandated for products sold internally or brought into the country).

[dangerzone]

Loongson was the best mips developper for more than two decades now. They bought it and developped it. Loongson started developping MIPS 21 years ago and they bought it. There is no theft here nore there is some king of free gift. Loongson invested a lot in MIPS because MIPS was left dead. Loongson, amongst other firms developped MIPS64 and made it what is. All the industry was focusing on arm. Loongson have every legal and moral right to claim it has contributed to make mips what they are.
However, they added some extra code later (looongISA) than went further (loongArch). They may be open source code but loongson were major code contributor too. That's open source way of working


Same can be said of harmony os
Harmony OS is diffenrent from android (AOSP) but still uses open source part to maintain a compatibility function. Even Windows use some linux code for that (WSL)
Harmony os is huawei by they are behing openharmony wich implies many developpers.

Let's remind that aosp is not alphabet propriety. They didn't build it from scratch and used themselves open source code.
The first major tool used in android is linux kernel. Intel and huawei for instance have been one of the major code contrubitors to linux kernel. (for instance eorfs file systeme comes for huawei and so forth). many parts in aosp are developped inside the OHA despite alphabet being the head of the project. But windows, intel, huawei and so many others put ressources to developp aosp code source. Alphabet owns the google services, the name android and is the head of the project.

So Wheather it is emui or harmony, mips or loongArch, chinese are legitimate using those tools. That's legal and they massively contributed to write the code and invest in it.
They are building their own linux distribution (deepin), with own upstream. In the furtur, only geopolitical reasons can force them to fork linux. They were forced to create gitee once it fells under microsoft arms.
We can also add that their are among the best in leading riscV processor developpement (T head for instance)
They do nothing different from others. Let's be fair and stay on the technical subject.
Apple started by relying heavily on open source (micro kernel, webkit, openBSD)
Sometimes, that just make no sens starting everything from scratch and try building an ecosystem around it; Google are a goof example. They benefited from open source form around the world. Why won't huawei do the same ? It there is something against the law, then let them face it. If not, there is no need to argue on a double morality standards.
The open source community, wheater it is in the west, india or china, car hugely benefit from what's going on. When it is strategic, we know all major nations use their custom version of linux (or unix).

[Estranged1906]

Loongson was the best mips developper for more than two decades now. They bought it and developped it. Loongson started developping MIPS 21 years ago and they bought it. There is no theft here nore there is some king of free gift. Loongson invested a lot in MIPS because MIPS was left dead. Loongson, amongst other firms developped MIPS64 and made it what is. All the industry was focusing on arm. Loongson have every legal and moral right to claim it has contributed to make mips what they are.
However, they added some extra code later (looongISA) than went further (loongArch). They may be open source code but loongson were major code contributor too. That's open source way of working


Same can be said of harmony os
Harmony OS is diffenrent from android (AOSP) but still uses open source part to maintain a compatibility function. Even Windows use some linux code for that (WSL)
Harmony os is huawei by they are behing openharmony wich implies many developpers.

Let's remind that aosp is not alphabet propriety. They didn't build it from scratch and used themselves open source code.
The first major tool used in android is linux kernel. Intel and huawei for instance have been one of the major code contrubitors to linux kernel. (for instance eorfs file systeme comes for huawei and so forth). many parts in aosp are developped inside the OHA despite alphabet being the head of the project. But windows, intel, huawei and so many others put ressources to developp aosp code source. Alphabet owns the google services, the name android and is the head of the project.

So Wheather it is emui or harmony, mips or loongArch, chinese are legitimate using those tools. That's legal and they massively contributed to write the code and invest in it.
They are building their own linux distribution (deepin), with own upstream. In the furtur, only geopolitical reasons can force them to fork linux. They were forced to create gitee once it fells under microsoft arms.
We can also add that their are among the best in leading riscV processor developpement (T head for instance)
They do nothing different from others. Let's be fair and stay on the technical subject.
Apple started by relying heavily on open source (micro kernel, webkit, openBSD)
Sometimes, that just make no sens starting everything from scratch and try building an ecosystem around it; Google are a goof example. They benefited from open source form around the world. Why won't huawei do the same ? It there is something against the law, then let them face it. If not, there is no need to argue on a double morality standards.
The open source community, wheater it is in the west, india or china, car hugely benefit from what's going on. When it is strategic, we know all major nations use their custom version of linux (or unix).

You make some good points. Another good example is Chrome, which is originally based on Konqueror (the KDE browser). Somewhere along the way they even managed to get rid of the GPL as Chrome is now proprietary and Chromium is BSD.

I think it's more the presentation that annoys me, when companies pretend in their marketing that they made a new product from scratch. Like - isn't it nice that MIPS lives on? I don't see anything wrong with LoongArch being a continuation of MIPS. Just be honest about it, Loongson.

[tuxd3v]

Cool, we now need to hardware!

[tuxd3v]

That's the Chinese claim. Once the code was introduced to support LoongArch, however, kernel devs have pointed out that at least some of LoongArch ISA support code is a direct copy of MIPS and just a fork of MIPS64 R6. I'm more inclined to believe the kernel devs than I am marketing material from Loongson who's actually owned by their Institute of Computer Technology under the auspices of the Chinese Academies of Science itself a branch of the PRC government.

Kinda have to keep in mind that the PRC is desperate to wean themselves off US and other Western technology companies like Intel, AMD, and ARM but they don't have a lot of creative types. Every time a Chinese company makes a product announcement they compare it favorably to the point of outperforming the products they're trying replace to make sure their companies and especially the CCP save face in front of their internal populace. Western developers aren't beholden to follow the CCP script however, so sometimes big lies, like LoongArch and the LoongISA are entirely internally created, are exposed. No one in the West cares about China saving face when they try to spin a Big One, however, except those corporations with their hand in the PRC's cookie jar.

wow...the mainstream media turned you into a freak..
I think you should consider making a critic view of that media...because they seems to be achieving what they want.

[dangerzone]

Reminds me of Huawei's HarmonyOS which they originally claimed was a completely new OS but it actually turned out to be a rebranded version of Android.

no harmony OS is not a rebranded version of android. Their can't be a rebranded version of something that ows its existance to many developpers around the world, chineese being among the greatest code contributor to android (or AOSP) Huawei use for harmony some open source tool so to maintain retrocomptibility
Don't make the mistake to think android is the mirror of windows. That's a completely different philosophy.
Without other developpers, android wouldn't have gained that market. What google owns is its own service (youtube etc) and the name "android". Android is initially an linux (even a gnu ditribution). They later had upstream linux (wich means google forked linux) but they later gave it back to linux fondation.

Harmony OS is based on a multiple kernel design. That's different and has its own technologies and its opensource version managed by openharmony fondation (just like oha)
harmonyOS is more like Fuschia project.

Huawei still uses android compatible os, and its brand is EMUI and there is nothing wrong with it. That's there right.
In 2022, huawei developpers were among the top linux kernel contributors.

when you use and android based os, it contains huawei's code and others
for instance : erofs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EROFS


"Huawei is a strong supporter of open source and is a platinum member and top contributor to several open source organizations, including the Linux Foundation, OpenStack Foundation, Cloud Native Computing Foundation, and OPNFV. It also leads many projects for the Apache Foundation such as OpenSDS and ServiceComb. Huawei consistently ranks among the top global open source contributors and global investors in R&D generally"


so once again, just because they are from china we should not forget to remain objective when its about tech and software.
Wheter it is openEuler, loongArch, Harmony, android based, chinese tech and huawei are more legitimate than many to use open source and certainly not illegal.
We can add that without other major contributors (samsung, htc etc), android wouldn't have seen the growth he had. Alphabet and google ows alot to other actors. And in the OHA, they were forbidden from forking android

here is a list of major android contributors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Handset_Alliance

As for huawei, they are a membrer of the linux fondation.

here is another example :

https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/

" Guess Who Contributed the Most to Linux Kernel 5.10 Development? It's Huawei (and Intel)


Those are facts, the rest is propaganda