Intel Announces 13th Gen Core Mobile CPUs, 35 & 65 Watt Raptor Lake Desktop CPUs

[Sonadow]

Let's wait and see if the i3-N-XXX and Intel Processor N XXX series will ever be produced or are just going to end up as vaporware.

Not that there is any rush. China is still selling loads of extremely cheap Gemini Lake and Jasper Lake laptops and mini PCs, so it will be probably at least another year or two before we even see them start churning out finished systems and boards using Alder Lake-derived Celerons.

[t.s.]

Yeah, those e-core only CPUs are probably faster than the Haswell/Skylake/Zen 1 dies many phoronix readers are running, especially when you take the graphics/decode into account.

But you have to weight in Intel practice to castrate instructions, features, etc of their lower tier CPU.

[NM64]

Michael Typo on page 3:

At the bottom of the stack is the Core i3 13100 with 8 P cores

Not gonna lie, that made me do quite the double-take until I realized that they're still just 4 P cores.

[Sonadow]

The E-core only processors are interesting, but that's because the previous Tremont cores were so inadequate compared to the new Gracemont cores.

Most important is that they finally have AVX and AVX2 along with finally offering 8-core versions.
L1 is doubled, L2 is more than doubled, and an additional 2MB to L3.
500-600MHz higher turbo frequencies
Gen12 graphics over Gen11, which means they now have AV1 decoding and native FP64 support.
Still staying within the same power envelope compared to Goldmont Plus and Tremont.

Will be interesting to see the performance uplift for mini PCs/routers using the newer processors, the battery life for ultrathins, how they compare to the Ryzen 3 5300U/5400U plus other Lucienne-U and Cezanne-U processors, and the delta when compared to the i3-13100 SKUs that have P-cores.

Tremont cores are inadequate? In what way?

Performance-wise Tremont and Goldmont can run Windows 10 and 11 without any noticeable slowdown as long as the system has at least 8GB of memory to work with. And anybody who thinks about doing heavy compute stuff like virtualisation on them needs a lobotomy.

[t.s.]

Tremont cores are inadequate? In what way?

Performance-wise Tremont and Goldmont can run Windows 10 and 11 without any noticeable slowdown as long as the system has at least 8GB of memory to work with. And anybody who thinks about doing heavy compute stuff like virtualisation on them needs a lobotomy.

Tremont is quite dissapointing IMO. Still lose to RK3588 (4x Cortex A-76 4x Cortex A-55) that just < 50% vs Tremont SoC/CPU price.

DEVICE	CLKS	KERNEL	DISTRO	7z MULTI	7z SINGLE	AES	MEMCPY	MEMSET	kH/s
Radxa ROCK 5B	2350/1830 MHz	5.10	Focal arm64	16450	3146	1337540	10830	29220	25.31
Celeron N4500	2800/1100 MHz	5.13	Impish amd64	6300	3091	783840	8100	8350	-
Celeron N5100	2800/1100 MHz	5.13	Focal amd64	10550	3088	783800	7750	8090	19.22
Pentium N6005	3300/2000 MHz	6.0	Jammy amd64	10810	3485	922000	9600	11300	20.15
Celeron N5105	2900/2000 MHz	5.13	Focal amd64	11450	3059	811760	7710	9290	21.79

[Sonadow]

Tremont is quite dissapointing IMO. Still lose to RK3588 (4x Cortex A-76 4x Cortex A-55) that just < 50% vs Tremont SoC/CPU price.

DEVICE	CLKS	KERNEL	DISTRO	7z MULTI	7z SINGLE	AES	MEMCPY	MEMSET	kH/s
Radxa ROCK 5B	2350/1830 MHz	5.10	Focal arm64	16450	3146	1337540	10830	29220	25.31
Celeron N4500	2800/1100 MHz	5.13	Impish amd64	6300	3091	783840	8100	8350	-
Celeron N5100	2800/1100 MHz	5.13	Focal amd64	10550	3088	783800	7750	8090	19.22
Pentium N6005	3300/2000 MHz	6.0	Jammy amd64	10810	3485	922000	9600	11300	20.15
Celeron N5105	2900/2000 MHz	5.13	Focal amd64	11450	3059	811760	7710	9290	21.79

I'm not sure if I'd trust a performance benchmark on Tremont and Goldmont on Linux.

One big reason I switched to Windows on my Apollo Lake and Gemini Lake machines is that I found Linux to boot up and work well for a while, but after a few hours of use performance drops to a point where the whole OS feels completely sluggish even though there's more than 50% of idle CPU resources. The only way out of this is to reboot the system after which Linux again performs well for a few hours before becoming sluggish, rinse and repeat.

This never ever happens on Windows.

[Phil995511]

65 Watt of heat dissipation and 55 dB for the cooling system ?

;-(

[david-nk]

Considering how abysmally bad cooling systems for notebooks are, anything above 15W TDP for a notebook CPU is ridiculous. If vendors can't even develop a decent cooling solution for a 15W CPU that doesn't spin up like a jet engine after prolonged load on the CPU, I don't get where they get the idea of making 65W parts...

[logical]

I'm not sure if I'd trust a performance benchmark on Tremont and Goldmont on Linux.

One big reason I switched to Windows on my Apollo Lake and Gemini Lake machines is that I found Linux to boot up and work well for a while, but after a few hours of use performance drops to a point where the whole OS feels completely sluggish even though there's more than 50% of idle CPU resources. The only way out of this is to reboot the system after which Linux again performs well for a few hours before becoming sluggish, rinse and repeat.

This never ever happens on Windows.

We use quite a few Gemini Lake systems here and I've never seen that issue.

[Dhoulmagus]

Wake me up when there's a framework laptop with 1335U or 1345U (and two M.2 slots and one fixed usb-c)