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Originally posted by Serge View PostThank you for the link. I found the document interesting, but I don't think it is relevant to the discussion here. However, you appear to be convinced that Tizen will result in a more free OS, and it appears that you are much more familiar with Tizen, so I'm going to defer to your judgement.
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Originally posted by Teho View PostThey really have... Guess who is the most active developer behind the de facto bluetoot stack, Bluez, on Linux? Intel. Guess who is the primary developer behind Wayland/Weston? Intel. How about oFono (used by Sailfish, Ubuntu Touch, MeeGo, Tizen (next version I think))? Intel. How about Mesa? Intel. ConnMan, the network stack used by Sailfish, Ubuntu Touch, Tizen...? Intel... and so on and so forth. They are also the second most active company in Linux developement. Red Hat is the only company to surpass them in contributions to the GNU/Linux stack overall and no one else comes even close.
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Originally posted by Honton View PostHe said the asymmetry is unfair, that's it. The right level of freedom or restrictions may vary for different parts of the software stack, but asymmetry is always wrong.
Wayland is symmetric, MIR is asymmetric. MIR is always the wrong choice for every one but Canonical.Originally posted by CANONICALWith the contributor agreement chosen by Canonical, the Harmony CLA, the contributor gives Canonical a licence to use their contributions. The contributor continues to own the copyright in the contribution, with full rights to re-use, re-distribute, and continue modifying the contributed code, allowing them to also share that contribution with other projects.
Originally posted by waylandThe MIT License is a free software license originating at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). It is a permissive free software license, meaning that it permits reuse within proprietary software provided all copies of the licensed software include a copy of the MIT License terms. Such proprietary software retains its proprietary nature even though it incorporates software under the MIT License
Both are GPL2 compatible.
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Originally posted by tarceri View PostI have seen people post about the Tizen PC before, do you have any facts about Intels intention to build such a PC? Or are you yourself just speculating? Have I missed some announcement?
The way I saw their demo of Tizen on a PC is the IT industry equivalent of the concept car in the auto industry. Basically they are trying out ideas showing off their technologies but have no real intention to turn it into a real product.
Intel has been doing this for years first with Moblin, then with Meego and now with Tizen. I would be very surprised if they actually launched a product themselves.
Also, Moblin was way too immature, Meego plans fell apart because Nokia Eloped away from the project, so now they have Tizen - which is really just the logical continuation of the same plans. The difference is, the platform is now finally maturing to the point where it is feasible to use it in consumer products.
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Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View PostBoth are GPL2 compatible.
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Originally posted by Honton View PostCanonical gets a broad license for all the code, the individual contributors do not. Asymmetry.
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Originally posted by dee. View PostThey've demoed a unit. They've been heavily investing in Wayland development, and Intel has no other reason to invest in Wayland - their GPUs aren't used in workstations/render farms, or gaming.
Originally posted by dee. View PostThey've also very invested in Tizen development. Companies don't invest in products they don't intend to use.
Originally posted by dee. View PostAnd what exactly makes you think so?
Originally posted by dee. View PostThey may or may not launch it themselves, the actual ultrabooks, laptops, tablets etc. may be released by some independent OEM/hardware vendor in partnership with Intel. Regardless, even if they don't launch the product themselves, they still benefit, because the devices will be using Intel CPUs and GPUs.
Also, Moblin was way too immature, Meego plans fell apart because Nokia Eloped away from the project, so now they have Tizen - which is really just the logical continuation of the same plans. The difference is, the platform is now finally maturing to the point where it is feasible to use it in consumer products.
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Originally posted by Teho View PostI believe Tizen will be more open in the future than it has been in the past (which isn't saying much...). I would assume that Tizen is also a major reason for Intel's contributions to projects like Bluez, oFono, Wayland, neard, ConnMan... so in that sense it's very notable. However comparing it to Ubuntu is bit difficult as the other is getting more open while the other is closing down. In the light of recent events for example, Tizen will be using Wayland like rest of the GNU/Linux community while Ubuntu will use Mir that no one else does, the same is true with systemd/Upstart (Tizen uses systemd).
For the record, I am thrilled about all that Intel is doing for the open source world these days. I don't mean to sound ungrateful.
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Originally posted by Teho View PostI believe Tizen will be more open in the future than it has been in the past (which isn't saying much...). I would assume that Tizen is also a major reason for Intel's contributions to projects like Bluez, oFono, Wayland, neard, ConnMan... so in that sense it's very notable. However comparing it to Ubuntu is bit difficult as the other is getting more open while the other is closing down. In the light of recent events for example, Tizen will be using Wayland like rest of the GNU/Linux community while Ubuntu will use Mir that no one else does, the same is true with systemd/Upstart (Tizen uses systemd).
There are several major distributions that have not made the switch and probably won't due to distro specific reasons.
These include Gentoo, Slackware, Funtoo, Ubuntu, Android, Chrome OS, Firefox OS, Linux Mint, PCLinuxOS, Puppy, every current stable Debian and RHEL clone and all non-Linux OS's to name a few.
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