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From the opening of Gabe's presentation slides:
Originally posted by Gabe NewellSeveral years ago we became concerned about the direction of the PC platform.
Proprietary, closed platforms were emerging (control market access, content, pricing, ...)
They take a huge cut of money, they really provide very little compared to what Apple/Google/Microsoft/Sony do with hardware/software on their gaming ecosystems.
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Originally posted by DanLamb View PostFrom the opening of Gabe's presentation slides:
What boggles my mind is how people don't see Steam as exactly this type of closed platform that controls market access, content, and pricing.
They take a huge cut of money, they really provide very little compared to what Apple/Google/Microsoft/Sony do with hardware/software on their gaming ecosystems.
Steam does indeed act as a portal between content producers and consumers, but it is not *currently* tied to the OS or hardware in the same way ios/macox, android and to some extend modern Windows machines (think UEFI, WinRT, etc...)
However, *if*, the steambox ships with a simple bios, or any other kind of unlocked bootloader, than it is already much more open than any other alternative.
Furthermore, you would be able to build Linux machines from parts and install the distro of your choice, and steam, desura and/or any other content that provides a Linux application on top of it, which does not need to go through Apple/Google/Microsoft to get to custumers. In this scenario, valve is just one between many content providers, and as long as the OS of the steambox is compatible with mainstream distros, whatever is made available for it would run on "unofficial" boxes as well.
Thus, instead of having a whole ecosystem tied to a single box, with a single spec/form factor, you have endless hardware and software possibilities, which neither Microsoft, apple sony or google provides.
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If the steambox runs a "normal" Linux distro, then there'd be nothing stopping you from installing and running non-steam games (or other software) on it. That's already more than can be said of any gaming console (barring mods and hacks).
It's just too bad, that Valve will now have to decide, will their Steambox OS be compatible with Ubuntu (Mir), or with Tizen + all the other distros (Wayland). If Intel releases their Tizen ultrabooks however, I think it'll make it an easy choice... which would be bad for Canonical.Last edited by dee.; 17 September 2013, 01:22 PM.
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Originally posted by dee. View PostIf the steambox runs a "normal" Linux distro, then there'd be nothing stopping you from installing and running non-steam games (or other software) on it. That's already more than can be said of any gaming console (barring mods and hacks).
Originally posted by dee.It's just too bad, that Valve will now have to decide, will their Steambox OS be compatible with Ubuntu (Mir), or with Tizen + all the other distros (Wayland). If Intel releases their Tizen ultrabooks however, I think it'll make it an easy choice... which would be bad for Canonical.
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Originally posted by crymsonpheonix View PostValve will almost certainly continue to ship their games for X windows and rely on systems like XWayland and XMir for the foreseeable future. They will not make a switch until one system has become the new de facto standard for window managers.
Valve has stated that their Steambox ships with X, which indeed makes sense for the short term - it's a gaming-focused system, and so far X still has the best driver support, as the proprietary GPU drivers of Nvidia & AMD only support X for now. But in the long term, once we get good EGL drivers, they will want to move on to a modern graphics system, because of all the benefits - not only performance, but also tear-free frames, etc. Then it'll be a choice between Mir + Unity, and be compatible with Ubuntu; or Wayland + almost any other DE, and be compatible with Tizen + almost all other Linux distros.
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It's really kind of weird to see just how much negative reaction there has been out there on the interwebz to Valve's recent overtures to Linux. I would never have thought there would be such a huge uproar amongst PC gamers, as if Valve was taking their lollipops away or something.
I honestly don't get it.
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Originally posted by johnc View PostIt's really kind of weird to see just how much negative reaction there has been out there on the interwebz to Valve's recent overtures to Linux. I would never have thought there would be such a huge uproar amongst PC gamers, as if Valve was taking their lollipops away or something.
I honestly don't get it.
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Originally posted by johnc View PostIt's really kind of weird to see just how much negative reaction there has been out there on the interwebz to Valve's recent overtures to Linux. I would never have thought there would be such a huge uproar amongst PC gamers, as if Valve was taking their lollipops away or something.
I honestly don't get it.
How can you not get it? It's the Old Hats complaining because they only want Open Source. The same people you see on the trisquel site telling people not to use proprietary drivers and such. That's what I don't get, it's like they don't want Linux to advance and they want you to use only half of the hardware you paid for. IMO, they are a Cancer to the advancement of Linux and need to stop.
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