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It's my understanding that things have changed:
Also look at this thread: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...nux-3-6-Kernel
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There's also the issue of trying to force manufacturers to disclose their hardware specs and force open source down their throats. If they don't want to, then you've got problems. And the source of those problems is you, not the manufacturer.
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostIt's my understanding that things have changed:
http://openbenchmarking.org/prospect...fc89be48b2e792
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAlso look at this thread: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...nux-3-6-Kernel
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Originally posted by ninez View PostThose are just Intel benchmarks, not Intel compared to Nvidia.
and doesn't change the fact that Nvidia produces drivers that support all of the latest GL specs, while Intel doesn't (and isn't even close to - none of the OSS drivers are).
Nvidia driver is fast, but it will fuck up your system if you upgrade the kernel, doesn't support most mobile hardware currently being sold, and is not available out-of-the-box on pretty much anything, requiring jumping through hoops to get it working. Pick what you prefer.
That thread clearly cites that they have improved and in *some cases* are catching up with Windows.
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostThere's also the issue of trying to force manufacturers to disclose their hardware specs and force open source down their throats. If they don't want to, then you've got problems. And the source of those problems is you, not the manufacturer.
It is you who are shoving closed-source down our throats, and into the kernel. Just open up the documentation, then OSS proponents can ALSO have a choice.
For you, forcing closed source blobs on everyone is great, but offering a CHOICE between an open driver and a closed one is "forcing open source down their throats". If you don't want to run a FLOSS system, there are many operating systems for you to choose from. Why are you trying to dictate Linux developers how to license their shit? You have BSD, you can shove any old shit in there, go use that.
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostYou were talking about Intel Linux vs. Intel Windows. If these are similar, then it is a hardware issue, and not the driver. Like I claimed.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostYes, Mesa is lagging on some OpenGL stuff. OpenGL 4 is some ways off. But 3.3 is just around the corner. For me, a driver with VAAPI, OpenGL 3.3, excellent powersaving, blazingly fast 2d and perfect integration is a top-notch driver.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostNvidia driver is fast, but it will fuck up your system if you upgrade the kernel, doesn't support most mobile hardware currently being sold, and is not available out-of-the-box on pretty much anything, requiring jumping through hoops to get it working. Pick what you prefer.
and yes, i have 'picked what i prefer' ~ which is Nvidia because it is better than AMD or Intel for GFX in Linux.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostThat thread clearly says that the benchmarks are running 6 months-old drivers, and that huge improvements have landed in the meantime, which had not been benchmarked there.Last edited by ninez; 17 August 2012, 12:23 PM.
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostNobody is shoving anything down your throat, you are free to use whatever you want -- including a blob.
It is you who are shoving closed-source down our throats, and into the kernel. Just open up the documentation, then OSS proponents can ALSO have a choice.
For you, forcing closed source blobs on everyone is great, but offering a CHOICE between an open driver and a closed one is "forcing open source down their throats". If you don't want to run a FLOSS system, there are many operating systems for you to choose from. Why are you trying to dictate Linux developers how to license their shit? You have BSD, you can shove any old shit in there, go use that.
"Why are you trying to dictate Linux developers how to license their shit?"
Oh yeah? Why are linux devs trying to dictate NVidia how to license their shit? They aren't forcing them? What about the "fuck you NVidia" thing?Last edited by RealNC; 17 August 2012, 12:20 PM.
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostNobody is shoving anything down your throat, you are free to use whatever you want -- including a blob.
It is you who are shoving closed-source down our throats, and into the kernel. Just open up the documentation, then OSS proponents can ALSO have a choice.
For you, forcing closed source blobs on everyone is great, but offering a CHOICE between an open driver and a closed one is "forcing open source down their throats". If you don't want to run a FLOSS system, there are many operating systems for you to choose from. Why are you trying to dictate Linux developers how to license their shit? You have BSD, you can shove any old shit in there, go use that.
the OS proponents do have a choice, use Nouveau or don't use Nvidia hardware - it's pretty simple :\
...and no one is dictating how linux kernel developers should be licensing thier code ~ it is entirely up to them. Please, stop making up stuff.
I really don't see why you are getting so mad - take a chill pill, k?
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Originally posted by ninez View Posttop-notch would mean to me, being equal or surpasses all other drivers - this is not the case with Intel's linux drivers.
Intel's driver offers performance on par with Windows, offers HW decode and complete powersaving, GL 3 (3.3 is around the corner), that's a top-notch driver. OpenCL is missing, but nobody is using Intel's stuff for that anyway.
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