Apache Software Foundation Pairs Up With GitHub For Its Git Infrastructure

[sdack]

Because money, sadly, rules the world. ...

And with that do I quit the discussion, because you can not look beyond money, sadly. Money isn't everything ... but you will argue otherwise.

[numacross]

No, I'm not. You're the one who keeps looking at the money. It's then all you see and can see. Better look at the business.

Say, with everyone moving to cloud computing where do you see x86 software there, hmm? You're not going to tell me we're all going to run x86-emulators in our browsers tomorrow, are you?

Because money, sadly, rules the world. Even if you have the best tech but fail to commercialize it your company will fail.

If you're saying the world is moving into the cloud then Microsoft is already there, big time.

Nobody cares anymore what CPU is inside your computer. And do look at IBM there, too. They do build their own CPUs and use them in their big machines and with Linux.

So come again and tell me how Microsoft is relevant. They're not. They may still be a big company and may make billions, but they have no further future. Your favorite supermarket chain will have a better future than what Microsoft has got, all while you probably care little for supermarket chains.

Did you even look closely at the breakup of Microsoft's earnings I linked? "Classical" computing is not the biggest part of it, yet it still grows and is profitable. They've successfully pivoted into cloud offerings and services for the main income source. How much more "relevant" you want them to be? What exactly you want them to do?

[sdack]

And you are ignoring computing history. IBM still earns billions by selling mainframes that provide backwards compatibility. I'd wager there's way more x86 software that will need a platform to run on in the future.

No, I'm not. You're the one who keeps looking at the money. It's then all you see and can see. Better look at the business.

Say, with everyone moving to cloud computing where do you see x86 software there, hmm? You're not going to tell me we're all going to run x86-emulators in our browsers tomorrow, are you?

Nobody cares anymore what CPU is inside your computer. And do look at IBM there, too. They do build their own CPUs and use them in their big machines and with Linux.

So come again and tell me how Microsoft is relevant. They're not. They may still be a big company and may make billions, but they have no further future. Your favorite supermarket chain will have a better future than what Microsoft has got, all while you probably care little for supermarket chains.

[numacross]

You're looking at the wrong statistics. I'm talking about the future, you're looking at yesterday's numbers. Microsoft once had a UNIX OS, too, but nobody wanted it. Where do you see people wanting to run a Microsoft OS on their Arm computers?

And you are ignoring computing history. IBM still earns billions by selling mainframes that provide backwards compatibility. I'd wager there's way more x86 software that will need a platform to run on in the future.

[sdack]

The statistics don't support this at all.

You're looking at the wrong statistics. I'm talking about the future, you're looking at yesterday's numbers. Microsoft once had a UNIX OS, too, but nobody wanted it. Where do you see people wanting to run a Microsoft OS on their Arm computers?

[numacross]

They don't matter any more. I trust they'll try to survive by any means necessary, which will include embracing Linux. And they've started with it, but I don't think they're actually fast enough.

The statistics don't support this at all.

Linux is coming in harder than ever - not on the current top-of-the-line PCs, which many have hoped for and for many years - but on the next generation of computers and Microsoft isn't being seen anywhere near those... All these Arm-based mini PCs (see Raspberry Pi & Co.) run almost exclusively Linux. While these are merely toys for many do these only get more powerful and can already do what most office PCs and servers can do. All completely without Microsoft and the situation being turned around and Linux being absolutely dominant, for prices as little as $20-$40 a piece.

Microsoft is well aware of that and so are their shareholders. The managed to shift their revenue structure to cloud and other software offerings like Office365 and Dynamics as shown here. It's been a trend for quite a while too. Even Windows saw growth so it's situation is not dire at all.

There are versions of Windows 10 for ARM even with emulation layers for x86 and x64 software. They are not perfect but it's a start. The general shift from x86-like architectures combined with recent Intel supply problems probably pushed Microsoft to have an alternative ready.

[sdack]

Don't trust MS.

They don't matter any more. I trust they'll try to survive by any means necessary, which will include embracing Linux. And they've started with it, but I don't think they're actually fast enough.

Linux is coming in harder than ever - not on the current top-of-the-line PCs, which many have hoped for and for many years - but on the next generation of computers and Microsoft isn't being seen anywhere near those... All these Arm-based mini PCs (see Raspberry Pi & Co.) run almost exclusively Linux. While these are merely toys for many do these only get more powerful and can already do what most office PCs and servers can do. All completely without Microsoft and the situation being turned around and Linux being absolutely dominant, for prices as little as $20-$40 a piece.

[shmerl]

Don't trust MS.

[edwaleni]

Microsoft are guaranteed to fsck us all over at some point but luckily the nature of Git means that it will be easy to move everything to other servers when the time comes, including commit history etc.

As long as Satya Nadella is CEO, its not likely. But after him...........if MSFT get Ballmer Chapter 2 going, then yes, I see a lot of problems.

It's kind of like the kings of Israel. One good one begat one bad one and so on and so on.

[johanb]

Microsoft are guaranteed to fsck us all over at some point but luckily the nature of Git means that it will be easy to move everything to other servers when the time comes, including commit history etc.

If they are using GitHubs issues system it's not going to be easy though.