I think Coreboot will come to prominence as people/OEM's realize what uEFI really means.
Total abandonment of 'legacy' hardware AND software!
Think about it:
If you have a server, odds are, you are using one of the below:
Gigabit NIC, SAS RAID/HBA, Fiberchannel Controller
-Can't PXE boot without the NIC being supported in the new EFI firmware!
-Can't Boot OS from Raid Card without the controller's BIOS extensions!
-Can't do.... several of the above without FC Controller's BIOS extensions either!
I've realized uEFI will just make the same (or worse) mistakes than the original real-mode x86 BIOS,
vendors will never make the effort to improve it - other than to add marketing chrome or shiny bling
(which is generally consumer grade garbage-ware).
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Coreboot is open-source. You can change whatever you want and there are already quite some motherboards with Coreboot support.
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Most of the features of a modern BIOS are useless* anyways.
I for one will not miss 16-bit Kruft mode VGA text based, Ill thought out buggy BIOS's with NO hope of anyone EVER updating again.
It would be nice to be able to adjust usually 'hidden' subsystems (ACPI, System Management Mode, ect...).
Better fan PWM control, suspend states that work better, fixes and workarounds for buggy hardware/firmware.
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Originally posted by droidhacker View PostHuh? You mean like the support system put in place by Aware/phoenix/whatever? Oh wait... they have NO SUPPORT SYSTEM AT ALL, and not only that, their code is BLOB JUNK.
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Originally posted by locovaca View PostIt is, except that Coreboot has never made itself a serious alternative. As I said before, even if they magically get things working for a large number of boards, they still have to get some sort of support system in place.
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Originally posted by locovaca View PostMany MB manufacturers pimp their "exclusive" BIOS features.
Whether or not they are truly exclusive is another point, but if you told your president that you could switch to this fancy new system but you'd have to give away all the "exclusive" code that you wrote, who would do that?
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Originally posted by Ex-Cyber View PostThat's not part of the project as such, though. It'll happen if/when more people and companies start taking an interest in coreboot. Red Hat wasn't founded by Linus.
Our company is currently switching from WebLogic's Java App Server to tcServer. Why tcServer? Because it's a commercially supported version of Tomcat. If crap blows up, we have someone to ring up and yell at to fix. For a lot of organizations this is an important safety net.
That's happened with a bunch of companies, usually because they're clueless about the requirements of copyleft licenses. I don't see how motherboard vendors are special here.
Why wouldn't the proprietary parts be in the payload? I doubt board vendors are differentiating their BIOSes with secret chipset configuration registers. libpayload is permissively licensed, so there shouldn't be a problem with shipping proprietary payloads. Besides, a lot of what motherboard companies are differentiating lately isn't really in the BIOS at all, but rather in Windows apps to configure settings and monitor performance.
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Originally posted by locovaca View PostIt is, except that Coreboot has never made itself a serious alternative. As I said before, even if they magically get things working for a large number of boards, they still have to get some sort of support system in place.
Motherboard companies have not been very helpful in release their source code to the public; look at the EEE PC and Splashtop. It was pulling teeth to get source code released for these.
Why would a motherboard manufacturer suddenly want to release their proprietary BIOS-replacement code to the world?
Motherboard manufacturers have no interest in Open Source; the "pay for a Phoenix/AMI/whatever BIOS" has worked for decades. There is no business incentive for a switch.
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Originally posted by Ex-Cyber View PostThe typical user will never know the difference between legacy BIOS and UEFI, or the difference between NTLDR and WINLOAD. The typical user shouldn't notice these things, which is the main reason that so much effort goes into making them work on mainstream, commodity hardware. Isn't coreboot in the same boat?
Either Coreboot needs to offer a paid support, closed source version for motherboard manufacturers, or else they have to be prepared implement all functionality and support it 100% through the open source movement. Motherboard manufacturers have no interest in Open Source; the "pay for a Phoenix/AMI/whatever BIOS" has worked for decades. There is no business incentive for a switch.
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Originally posted by locovaca View PostThe whole point to LinuxBIOS and Coreboot was "Hey, BIOS is initializing hardware, and then the kernel just does it a second time, that's a waste of time." It was not to cram an entire operating system onto a flash chip.
You're not a typical user. The discussion was that AMD's announcement increased the possibility Coreboot was going to be on mainstream, commodity hardware. Hardware RAID cards are not mainstream, commodity hardware and are not in use by said audience. The mainstream, commodity market that has HPs, Dells, etc. already have a POST done in 2-3 seconds. Coreboot's advantages will not be seen by that market.
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