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  • #31
    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    just compile c++11 code with -std=c++17 switch, problem solved
    Sure, why not turn the volume up to 11 and immediately use -std=c++28 on a compiler that does not support it?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by stephen82 View Post
      This is not the first time you show disrespect to people
      this is not the first time i came across people not deserving respect

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      • #33
        Originally posted by cl333r View Post
        Capitalism is when you burn women and children with napalm in Vietnam for trying to fend off American aggression:
        communism is when you pour cannon fodder on people trying to fend off your aggression:

        Originally posted by cl333r View Post
        The USA likes to invade independent countries like Vietnam, Iraq (twice), Germany, Korea, Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Panama, Afghanistan, take away Mexico's lands, Cuba and other countries and starve them to death by proxy terrorism, sanctions and coups.
        ... germany ... germans ... germans ... Germany ... Germany
        so this is acute case of idiotism from germany mixed with soviet propaganda. eastern germany?
        Last edited by pal666; 26 July 2017, 06:48 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by carewolf View Post
          It was proposed to be added to c++0x. It was officially added to C++17 just like it just was to C++20, but later removed again.
          c++0x is not a standard. drafts contained concepts, c++11 didn't contain concepts. don't use drafts if it hurts.
          concepts ts was never merged into c++17 http://honermann.net/blog/2016/03/06...nt-make-cxx17/
          so only now it is for real
          Last edited by pal666; 26 July 2017, 07:09 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by discordian View Post
            Sure, why not turn the volume up to 11 and immediately use -std=c++28 on a compiler that does not support it?
            but you wanted to use library features with library which does not support them? if you can upgrade library, you can just as well upgrade compiler(libstdc++ comes with compiler anyway). if you want to implement them manually in your code, nobody is stopping you and you don't need anyone's help. in particular, std::size's implementation is trivial
            Last edited by pal666; 26 July 2017, 07:11 PM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by pal666 View Post
              c++0x is not a standard. drafts contained concepts, c++11 didn't contain concepts. don't use drafts if it hurts.
              concepts ts was never merged into c++17 http://honermann.net/blog/2016/03/06...nt-make-cxx17/
              so only now it is for real
              You are quoting the article explaining why it was removed again. "didn't make it" in this context, means it was removed from the final draft.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                Capitalism is when you burn women and children with napalm in Vietnam for trying to fend off American aggression:
                http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=34739193
                What about hundreds of thousands burned, raped, killed women and children in First and Second Chechen War. Or blaming other makes Russia (I assume you are from Russia or at least pro-Russian Slavic) innocent. Btw, RuAF is past two years been practicing hitting schools and hospitals in Syria.. Intentionally. You just won't find such facts from Russian media.

                You are also utterly ignoring the causality and the meaning of an "aggressor". What did cause the war and what/who was behind it.

                Vietnam war started because of the machinations of Soviet Union, which was trying to promote it's influence in the world in the first stages of Cold War. Pretty much same as with Korean War, which accidentally ended few years prior to start of war in Vietnam and what was only half-success. One ended up half the country under "red flag" (North Korea) and other ended up fully (Vietnam). In fact, there was not a single year over the Cold War-era when Soviets were not fighting or "advising" in some remote part on Earth, trying to install some or other pro-Communist puppet government in place.

                Without Soviet equipment and active military support Viet Minh had not a snowball-in-hell's chance of fighting it out against Vietnamese Republic and French. It actually failed before it succeeded (1945-46). Up to 1955, Soviet Union had ALREADY supported 8 or 9 different proxy wars all around the world, which all tried to install pro-Communist government. Past that year and until it's dissolution, USSR was involved as a backer for more than 40 other military conflicts as a backer. There is a reason why on every hellhole on Earth you can see Kalashnikov assault rifles. Of course - China was also heavily involved, sometimes USSR and Communist China were even supporting factions that were opposing each-other but were also anti-government.

                "Promoting the influence of Communism in the world" repeats itself as invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, which at least was direct military invasion this time. Which utterly screwed up pretty modern and liberal Islamic country and transformed it to an hellhole it is today. By causality - you could accuse Russians as being instigators of 9/11. Because without 1979 invasion, Al-Qaeda would not have come around.

                It's literally copy-paste of what Russian Federation is doing now in the Ukraine - employing it's troops in the guise of "militias". Soldiers taking bullets get jack shit and those taken prisoner are disowned by Moscow instantly.

                Following THAT pattern of logic - you could easily accuse Soviets as being the sole reason of all the notable wars in the 20. century, INCLUDING the WW2. All because that craving for power and influence. So, what has killed more people? Communism or capitalism. Keep in mind that communist states today are generally poor, lice-ridden hellholes and capitalist states tend to give it's citizens at least some quality of life and essential freedoms.

                WW2 - which, btw started on September 1, 1939, not June 22 1941 (as the Russian official history likes to state as the beginning date of WW2). Nazis and Soviets were allies at the time - for your general education. Struck a deal for conquering Poland and dividing it up. First nazis invaded Poland, 2 weeks later Soviets did. Until Nazis conquered Western-Europe, Soviets fed and supplied raw materials up to the very beginning of Operation Barbarossa - Which happened because Hitler became too much afraid that Soviets would backstab them (Soviets were massing troops and equipment to the USSR borders as staging areas not as defensive line) and wanted to struck first, even while being aware of being woefully unprepared for it.

                About napalming women and children. Guilty is the instigator of the war, not the killer. In war shit happens, without war - it would not have happened. So, you do seek the guilty party? - seek the party who initiated it in the first place. You also utterly ignore the fact that in free societies - such incidents are not suppressed but in non-free societies are. You do not hear in Vietnam about terror campaigns by Viet Minh killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. You do not hear in Russia about mass deportations, mass executions. You go to jail in Turkey if you even beep about genocied against Armenians in Ottoman Empire. It does not make those regimes any better - but idiots who fancy themselves as liberal and progressive ignore it. White shall be turned into dark and the opposite.

                Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                People who are culturally INEPT for self-government sadly "need" oppressive regimes governing them. Remove it, try introducing the democracy and all you shall see is infinite variations of power-grabs. Like happened in Iraq. Shias grabbed the power foolishly given to them and instant oppression against the sunnis started. Result : ISIS, Syrian Civil war, chaos that is Libya today and bunch of migrants in Europe demanding money.

                Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                Capitalism kills 2 billion people. The USA likes to invade independent countries like Vietnam, Iraq (twice), Germany, Korea, Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Panama, Afghanistan, take away Mexico's lands, Cuba and other countries and starve them to death by proxy terrorism, sanctions and coups.
                Then starve even more people to death while you invade eastern europe, organize the "Maidan" in Ukraine and even get the french to invade germany in the past. Today germans like Schröder are standing up to imperialism and they're the bad guys, them telling the truth is nothing but false and racist propaganda. As time goes on, more germans are standing up to American bullying, like Germany's foreign minister because the USA wants to choke the EU and cut its gas supply from Russia:
                AFAIK US troops were welcome by Republic of Vietnam which was official government of South Vietnam at the time.

                Ba'th party that took power in Iraq back in 1968 was Arab socialist regime. Socialist. Had it not happened - there would have been no fucking Gulf Wars.

                Germany? AFAIK there was war going. It lost - end of story. Allies pulled out, except for NATO bases, DDR remained firmly under Soviet boot.
                Korea - it fought off Soviet instigated attacks and remained independent. Fully independent.
                Libya - do not know enough about it to comment. Gaddafi got what he deserved IMHO. Bomb more air liners.. French started the last invasion as far as I remember.
                Ukraine - Russias meddling not "Western" - though in Russian media it's the opposite. Russia just cannot tolerate puppet country slipping out of it's grasp. "maidan" was not even first attempt for Ukraine, "orange revolution" preceded it - including poisoning of Ukrainian President Yuschenko by lab quality dioxine (very Russian-style hit). And when Ukrainians got what they wanted - Crimean annexation and war in Donbas followed. Whatever goes for breaking the vassal and getting it back under heel where it belongs.
                Panama - yeah. US's shame.
                Afghanistan. Soviets started it - US gets all the blame. What fun.

                Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                Then USSR helped to rid the nazis once and for all. Then the CIA infiltrates and takes over all the media and universities to create an even deeper CIA-led propaganda and world-wide spying-grid on everyone that people become self hating cucks that think that anyone stands up for their people, country or even has slight criticism is a racist, sexist shitlord that is antiscience while you believe in 349572348 genders. Oh, does the rabit lair of the white red eyed killer bunny collecting two faced coins go deep.
                USSR was one of the starters of the war, along with nazis.

                In the latter raving, replace "CIA" with the "FSB" and you do get modern Russia. It's something Russia would do gleefully globally - if it could. So it's hypocrisy at best.

                In my eyes, today's Russia is not that different from Reich of 1930's. Up to the point where Orthodox priest in Moscow calls up for forming death squads. Why? Because traitors-dissidents that have fled Russia need punishment. Nazi Einsatzgruppen anyone?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by carewolf View Post
                  You are quoting the article explaining why it was removed again. "didn't make it" in this context, means it was removed from the final draft.
                  this is your fantasy. in reality it means it was not voted in. or maybe you don't understand what ts is or what proposal is

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