Linux 6.13 Hits A "Tipping Point" With More Rust Drivers Expected Soon

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  • darkonix
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2021
    • 394

    #21
    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    That only applies to C.

    If you break Rust code, they're expected to fix it. Which is good so you don't get infected and have your brain start rusting.
    It seems you were right that Rust maintainers should fix the abstractions. And they say it is not a problem.

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    • Daktyl198
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2013
      • 1586

      #22
      Originally posted by anarki2 View Post
      It must be very sad for you to be rooting for something to fail being the only motivation in your life.
      Their lives are sad enough that without the hatred, there's no other reason to live. But more on the point, it's so wild that so much C code in the kernel subsystems are just straight up undocumented and even the maintainers barely know how they function. I wonder how many bugs or performance issues are left on the table just because people can't be bothered to try and work through that code?

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      • intelfx
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2018
        • 1151

        #23
        Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post

        Their lives are sad enough that without the hatred, there's no other reason to live. But more on the point, it's so wild that so much C code in the kernel subsystems are just straight up undocumented and even the maintainers barely know how they function. I wonder how many bugs or performance issues are left on the table just because people can't be bothered to try and work through that code?
        Quite a lot.

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        • ayumu
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 669

          #24
          Linux is, and has always been, a mess. This rust saga is simply exposing this mess.

          The world needs at a minimum stable APIs for drivers and filesystems. I don't think Linux will get there.

          Something else will take over as Linux spirals into irrelevance.

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          • smitty3268
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 6966

            #25
            Originally posted by ayumu View Post
            The world needs at a minimum stable APIs for drivers and filesystems.
            Why? I would think that the success of linux is proof it doesn't?

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            • Veto
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2012
              • 549

              #26
              Originally posted by ayumu View Post
              Linux is, and has always been, a mess. This rust saga is simply exposing this mess.

              The world needs at a minimum stable APIs for drivers and filesystems. I don't think Linux will get there.

              Something else will take over as Linux spirals into irrelevance.
              This is just crazy talk! The Windows driver mess absolutely shows that the Linux driver model works better. Currently Linux spirals more and more into relevance.

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              • mdedetrich
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2019
                • 2549

                #27
                Originally posted by Veto View Post

                This is just crazy talk! The Windows driver mess absolutely shows that the Linux driver model works better. Currently Linux spirals more and more into relevance.
                not really, Linux drivers especially graphics cards (when compared to Windows) are a complete mess but for different reasons

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                • Veto
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 549

                  #28
                  Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post

                  not really, Linux drivers especially graphics cards (when compared to Windows) are a complete mess but for different reasons
                  Uhm. No. Just don't buy Nvidia... They follow the Windows driver model.

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                  • mdedetrich
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2019
                    • 2549

                    #29
                    Originally posted by Veto View Post

                    Uhm. No. Just don't buy Nvidia... They follow the Windows driver model.
                    Thats not what I am talking about and AMD also has Linux issues.

                    With AMD on Linux if I want the latest drivers I am forced to update to the latest Linux kernel version (which is not always the best idea for obvious reasons) where as with NVidia I am not.
                    Last edited by mdedetrich; 01 December 2024, 06:31 AM.

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                    • WileEPyote
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2023
                      • 229

                      #30
                      Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post

                      Thats not what I am talking about and AMD also has Linux issues.

                      With AMD on Linux if I want the latest drivers I am forced to update to the latest Linux kernel version (which is not always the best idea for obvious reasons) where as with NVidia I am not.
                      If it's the same major kernel point release (some even work beyond that), you can just enable versioning in your kernel, then compile and install the latest module from the tree. Or wait for a back port. Not really any worse than dealing with NV.

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