Microsoft & Others Form The eBPF Foundation

[sheldonl]

I was also somewhat skeptical of why this all needs to run in user space - and I still kind of am. I think that they could have put the work into exporting more to user space and keep this out of the kernel, but I'm sure there would be major performance issues and even more security issues by doing so. Then I did find a decent looking use case for this: https://goteleport.com/

I also have enough faith in Linus Torvalds to be pretty sure he wouldn't let complete and utter nonsense into the kernel.

[onlyLinuxLuvUBack]

Phoronix readers: Hey guys, you know the latest conspiracy theory. They are out to get us. No passaran, prepare your tinfoil hats! Them evil companie$ shall not make my irrelevant toy OS into something usable in the real world! Them won't submit a single line of codez into the system I use to run Xlogo! Not a single bit in my systemz will come from Micro$oft or Google and of course when I need to get something real done, I'll use Winblob$ or Mac because my uber anti kapitalist Linux can't do it.

Right?

He needed linux to provide hardware access to new windows because win-DONT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-FrcSWKza8
can't win if it don't work.

[cjcox]

Enqueue the Microsoft hatred

Did you see the rest of the list though? Forget the new Spider-Man movie, the Sinister Six has been formed!

eBPF might be great, but the companies behind this foundation aren't know for their "goodness".

[juarezr]

ITT a bunch of people with obviously zero idea how ebpf in Linux works make up a bunch of nonsense "theories" about as accurate as "hacking" on television.

Meanwhile, eBPF experts fail to explain to stupid wannabees like me about how this can't go wrong. I just read tons of buzzwords and promises everywhere.

If certain people think paranoids like me are wrong, please provide strong arguments.

Meanwhile, I find eBPF information about it's potential cross-platform rootkit possibilities.

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/ana...-of-ebpf-maps/

https://blog.aquasec.com/ebpf-vulner...s-the-backdoor

https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/3/895

https://lwn.net/Articles/742170/

https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/42048

Please prove me and others are wrong!

I'm wondering that eBPF is just one in the whole list of possible ways of compromising a Linux system.

It would be interesting, if anyone here, could explain if it could be handled well by competently designed security procedures as it should/must be, or it has anything else that could slip as opposed to other solutions.

[Delgarde]

I feel like I could replace eBPF up there with anything else and it would still work because that's just a bunch of buzzwords in the form of a paragraph.

Yeah, that was my reaction too... the website says an awful lot without actually saying anything. A-grade technobabble, so while there might be something of value, it's very well hidden.

[skeevy420]

Can you imagine sitting at the linux "Foundation" meeting:

Microsoft: Ok guys you know if they run linux we can't control them,
we can't bend them over and mine their data.

Crowd(Google etc): No... no... why ?
Microsoft: Silence. I have a plan, we all joined this foundation
so we could corrupt linux and be able to control it, no ?
If the linux "Foundation" changes linux then who would stop us ?

CCP: Son, we have our own list of patches that you must apply and
if you don't apply them then no business in our country for you.

More like

Microsoft: .....

Google: We have Linux powered blackboxes in everyone's pocket.

Microsoft: Fuck me, we need to figure this Linux shit out.

CCP: Very impressive.

[GMAHN]

Yes, that's correct. At my opinion, phoronix users became very non critical thinkers when they meet Micro$oft and linux in the same title

Also, look at this in different way: The first type of 'people' actually contribute much more to the linux (rolling the world) than an average phoronix user.

These companies and their practices are one of the reasons that FOSS is important to begin with and it turns out that everyone benefits from it but these companies are not the heart and soul of Linux and thus we must be vigilant critical thinkers

[RedEyed]

The first type of 'people' you mention are actually a handful of the most anti-privacy, anti-competition, and anti-freedom companies in existence.
It would be insane to not scrutinize them. This could be good technology or garbage but we don't yet know and like all things we should be critical thinkers in our approach

Yes, that's correct. At my opinion, phoronix users became very non critical thinkers when they meet Micro$oft and linux in the same title

Also, look at this in different way: The first type of 'people' actually contribute much more to the linux (rolling the world) than an average phoronix user.

[GMAHN]

“There are two types of people: some are rolling the world, while others (phoronix users) are running alongside and shouting:" God, where is this world heading? "

The first type of 'people' you mention are actually a handful of the most anti-privacy, anti-competition, and anti-freedom companies in existence.
It would be insane to not scrutinize them. This could be good technology or garbage but we don't yet know and like all things we should be critical thinkers in our approach

[RedEyed]

“There are two types of people: some are rolling the world, while others (phoronix users) are running alongside and shouting:" God, where is this world heading? "