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Originally posted by coder
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Please do note its is offence in china as a china citizen not to attend the public provided education. So reality in China government eyes all the all the Uyghurs who cannot speak Mandarin are criminals/possible terrorist/possible rebels. Uyghurs point of view they are obeying their culture speaking/writing Arabic and are maintaining their culture sending their children to Islamic schools instead of the public provided ones.
China Government truly believes what they are doing is to fix the problem. Get all the population to know Mandarin so they can read and obey the countries laws without needing any special treatment that china goal.
coder this is a culture class on a insane scale. With both sides thinking they are doing the right thing. When in reality most likely is both sides are wrong and the correct answer should be somewhere in the middle like Islamic schools in china making Mandarin a mandatory second language.
Having satelite images of secure facilities being made does not explain the problem behind it. Reading the china court record, china laws and looking the languages Uyghurs refugees could in fact speak and write and you cross reference all that the story is simple. Yes a person guilty of truancy in china does not get a criminal record but can be legal contained during their education to make sure they get it. When you have a huge population of people truancy who are going to be in mandated education by their will you are going need you are going to need some huge secure facilities. Again this is china not applying Uyghurs target laws but general laws of china possible doing long harm to culture of the Uyghurs. As china has got richer they have had the money to spend to start enforcing anti-truancy in more and more rural areas of china.
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This is another problem with the reporting the media focus on the Uyghurs and don't see if any other groups have been nuked in china history. Remember every time china government has done this they believe they are treating everyone equally and fairly.
coder the saying " The road to hell is paved with good intentions." is so true here every party in the China mess with the Uyghurs and other cultures believes in china is they have very good intentions for what they are doing. The process has been going on for at least 100 years if not longer. With modern technology we can see that its happening now the early time frame we only have the china courts and law records for what happened and those documents don't hide it. The modern-day china court record documents don't attempt to hide it either because they don't believe they are doing the wrong thing.
This is the problem its really simple to attempt to correct the problem in china by saying that china doing the wrong thing but that not going work. You need to understand why china government and legal system believes it doing the right thing and be able to create argument to be able counter what they are doing. This also explains why china when the claims are brought to them in incorrect form just respond with we don't do that. Like call the china work to earn good behaviour system that is historic "forced labour" is always just going to get the response of denial we are not doing that. When I say historic I mean the first appearance in the china legal record for working for good behaviour to get out sooner is 800BC china was doing this well before USA existed as a country. Lot of what china is doing today is following their old historic processes this does include forced education of those who will not attend school. Just china has not had the resources to enforce all their generic laws this has changed with china wealth.
Please note don't take this as me saying what China is doing is right to Uyghurs. The reality in my mind is china is repeating the same mistake as what Australia did that created the stolen generation in the native Australian population. Of course again the people who did the stolen generation in Australia believed they were doing it for the right reasons. Yes that was another case of building secure facilities to contain them to attempt educated them. Also China is repeating the same mistake the USA has done in their prison systems as well. There is example after example of the same class of screw up. This is a form of screw up us as humans have the habit of repeating.
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