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  • #21
    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
    They keep assigning copyrights to Stallmann's FSF.
    it would be stupid to drop gcc development just because someone clueless thinks fsf is stallman's

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    • #22
      Originally posted by ssokolow View Post
      GCC has been forked before
      and then it was unforked. guess why

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      • #23
        Originally posted by CommunityMember View Post
        LLVM/Clang is the clear future for some use cases by RH's customers, and RH has consistently preferred to be part of the ecosystem for projects that their customers depend on (so they can help address their customers issues quickly, and to be part of the conversation about improvements that will help those customers). Sometimes that is easy, and sometimes that is hard, but that does not change the preference, and adding good people to LLVM helps everyone.
        clang is the compiler of rh's browser. rh has to support its software

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        • #24
          Originally posted by ssokolow View Post

          GCC has been forked before. The current development line descends from a fork named EGCS that got blessed/renamed as GCC in 1999 after Stallman admitted that his tight-fisted control of the GCC repo had allowed it to wither, while EGCS was vibrant and growing moreso.
          That's amazing to hear, it got forked for technical reasons, and that same fork allowed it to become much better. I'm all for improving performance and usability, however so far red hat has not said a single thing about improving the performance, and how exactly they plan on doing it (besides the "if we control it we can improve it more" statement, which is a non-argument).
          All the company said so far is "the FSF is bad, RMS is bad", which I believe is childish.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by paulpach View Post

            He was making excuses for his friend Minsky. His argument was basically that Minsky didn't know she was a prostitute. It is a stretch to say he excuses sex slavery.
            So which was then the problem?
            1. prostitution the oldest biggest business on the planet? And a honerable good thing and of course here in my western country legal.
            2. age of consent problems?
            3. REAL rape (aka a person is really forced, not like because not 18 we assume automatically that it's forced)?

            Because some retarded illegality of Prostitution that makes literally no sense because Porno is allowed, somebody pays a women to have sex for money... how is porn not the same? Commercial sex = commercial sex...

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            • #26
              Originally posted by rastersoft View Post

              AFAIK, it was even simpler: he was only asking to replace the term "Minsky sexually assaulted an underage girl" with something like "the underage girl had sex with Minsky under coercion from Epstein", because he considered that the term "assault" is associated with physical violence, and didn't reflect with precision what really happened.
              Which he is obviously correct, if a person don't know that he has sex with another person being forced to, and she shows clear consent, then you can't assault somebody. That is the femnazi inter-sectional redefinition of words that goes on in the US.

              Because if you got raped in Europe or the US are at this stage as example not even remotely the same words, you basically can't translate this words anymore.

              The newest definition of the US Wokistan is that if a women has consenting sex but drunk 1 beer and the next day thinks it was maybe a bad they even she enjoyed it at the evening... it's rape... Maybe we need some international comity that defines and explains words.

              It's not only the absurd redefinitions the radical left Americans do, it's also the absolute failure of wisdom of meaning of words, so apparently most Americans think that when people have sex with subadults that they are pedophiles or even if they rape young kids that that was "pedophilia", pedophilia is a sexual orientation, if you get 1mio dollar to fuck a guy and do that that also makes you not gay, and the same is true for straight people having sex with small children because they are easy victims.

              And if you start canceling people because you are either stupid or woke and don't understand reality then we talk about a psychopat or mentally disabled country... get your shit together America maybe forbid social media and close the university if you are to immature to handle it...

              Or you need public healthcare and then send all the twitter users to mental institutions to get them help. It's insufferable and shameful.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by pal666 View Post
                and then it was unforked. guess why
                Because Stallman admitted that he'd made the wrong decision and retired his version of GCC to rebrand EGCS as the new GCC 2.95. More or less the same situation as with how LibreOffice came about, except that the window for renaming LibreOffice back to OpenOffice is long past.[/quote]

                Originally posted by ezekrb5 View Post
                That's amazing to hear, it got forked for technical reasons, and that same fork allowed it to become much better. I'm all for improving performance and usability, however so far red hat has not said a single thing about improving the performance, and how exactly they plan on doing it (besides the "if we control it we can improve it more" statement, which is a non-argument).
                All the company said so far is "the FSF is bad, RMS is bad", which I believe is childish.
                Then it'll fail on those merits and the FSF can laugh at them, similar to how Glimpse's CoC-centric development model hasn't really gained any significant traction against mainline GIMP. A healthy open-source ecosystem has the same darwinian properties as a healthy process of scientific inquiry.

                Also, why focus on performance and usability specifically? EGCS added things like the Fortran compiler frontend, Pentium optimizations, and support for a bunch of new platforms by merging together a bunch of smaller forks that Stallman had left out in the cold.

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                • #28
                  Huh. That unapproved message doesn't even have any links in it.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Uncle H.

                    Typical entitled zoomer. Stallman has been doing this gig since a time when maybe 1 in a million people had even heard of "open source".

                    What has he done that's special? He built the movement almost from scratch, you absolute tool.
                    He did that 40 years ago, what's he done in the last generation? I guess people can have different opinions on this, but I don't believe a single accomplishment a long time ago gives you a free pass on everything else for the rest of your life. You celebrate the achievements, but what you're doing today is always more important than what you did yesterday.

                    Does building a movement does that mean he's entitled to destroy it? I can understand why some people might think so, but I just think it's a shame.

                    I wish the movement was bigger than Stallman, because sooner or later he's going to die of old age. It doesn't seem like his FSF movement will survive that, given it's tied so exclusively to himself now and his past achievements. Once he's gone, I don't see anyone likely to replace him. At least, no one competent.
                    Last edited by smitty3268; 08 May 2021, 12:21 AM.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by ssokolow View Post
                      Huh. That unapproved message doesn't even have any links in it.
                      If "inquiry Fortran Pentium" marks your post as unapproved, then it's probably the system marking Quantum as unapproved again...

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