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Originally posted by ultimA View PostWell, there is one rather large difference between us. SJWs try to impose their ideas on you
And yes, the anti-SJW does in fact try to impose their ideas on you. Each day, every day. They often call their congress critters to enact laws banning things and throwing people in jail. The exact same people complaining about being canceled where the ones like 15 min prior screaming about how business has the right to fire anyone they want. They harass people online for being gay/woman, whatever. More so than the SJWs do actually.
Colin Kaepernick would like a word with you to be frank.
This thread is an example. It changes nothing. If no one made a political issue over it, no one would care. This is just SJW-like butthurt from the people who claim to be better than this. Can't take it the slightest bit serious.
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Originally posted by HEX0 View PostIt's a shame, but it seems that political center is going extinct.
Radical left, creates more radical right. More radical right creates more radical left and it goes on...
It's not even right or left, it's a emulation of right and left, because the main focus on left vs right is classically CLASS, now we talk about some close to irrelevant things like race or sex. It's a big distraction from the real problems...
And when even a Bernie Sanders is happy to vote against 15 Dollar minimum wage... then there exist no left in the US...
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Originally posted by blackiwid View PostWell while we have similar things happen in other countries, too, to a big part this polarization comes from the 2 party dictatorship in the US. if you have only 2 parties, there is no room for middle grounds or 3rd opinions or anything. Or like I am pos X on A B and D but Y on C and E.
Originally posted by blackiwid View PostIt's not even right or left, it's a emulation of right and left, because the main focus on left vs right is classically CLASS, now we talk about some close to irrelevant things like race or sex. It's a big distraction from the real problems...
Originally posted by blackiwid View PostAnd when even a Bernie Sanders is happy to vote against 15 Dollar minimum wage... then there exist no left in the US...
The US is a big place, any one-size-fits-all minimum wage should be the lowest common denominator. $15 may make sense in NYC, but doesn't make sense in rural Kansas. There is nothing stopping state and local politicians from enacting a higher min wage in their jurisdictions. Honestly I think it would make a lot of sense if they did, and I'd support that. After all, a 1BR apartment is $1500 in the city, but is $250 in the rural areas. The better question, is why haven't these Blue state Mayors enacted a $15 min wage in their high priced cities?? I'll tell you why. Because they don't give a crap about poor people, except at election time. Just look at the evidence: we have cities that have been under uninterrupted Democrat rule for half a century or more, and those same cities are the poorest most violent places in America. Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, etc. They can't even manage things at a local level with decades to implement their policies. And now we've been bamboozled into putting them in charge of Congress and the White House. Buckle up, it's about to get bumpy, hopefully you have some cash in the bank and a safe place to fall back to.
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I find it ironic.
If it weren't for people who keep trying to rename words, kids would have grown up without knowing the context of the old "master", and it would be given a new meaning.
How many kids nowadays know that "gay" originally meant "lighthearted and carefree."? Stop using the word in the way it was 'originally' used and it loses its power.
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Originally posted by blackiwid View PostAnd when even a Bernie Sanders is happy to vote against 15 Dollar minimum wage... then there exist no left in the US...
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Originally posted by aksdb View Post
Isn't the basic stance, that everything that is in some way social, is considered communist, and communism is still considered the arch nemesis of freedom?
So depending on who you ask he would qualify probably more as a social democrat, but again socialist is not really strictly defined.
Whatever you don't have to like it, but as example some sort of universal health care where nobody get's excluded is clearly a mainstream position even right wing parties in europe will mostly defend that.
So whatever you wanna call it, outside of identity politics on the class issue I can't see the dems as a left wing party... that's the problem.
On everyhing that costs billionares no money like abortion yes there they are radical left... but again you can't just ignore the primary point about class and claim to be left, that is stupid. And just twitter what you would want but never vote accordingly and make a stand, not put your feet or whatever where your words are... is more like "ohh look at me I want to be famous, I give a shit about my plattform but I want to have much twitter follower".
And even if the Squad and bernie would be "left" that are like what 5-10 people in the whole congress... so the US has no left wing... only different grades of 2 very right wing parties...
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Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
Well while we have similar things happen in other countries, too, to a big part this polarization comes from the 2 party dictatorship in the US. if you have only 2 parties, there is no room for middle grounds or 3rd opinions or anything. Or like I am pos X on A B and D but Y on C and E.
It's not even right or left, it's a emulation of right and left, because the main focus on left vs right is classically CLASS, now we talk about some close to irrelevant things like race or sex. It's a big distraction from the real problems...
And when even a Bernie Sanders is happy to vote against 15 Dollar minimum wage... then there exist no left in the US...
That's interesting that Sanders would vote against minimum wage, I didn't know he had done that. Maybe he had reasons though? What if it was part of a bill that was watered down by mainstream dems and republicans? I can see why he would oppose it if that was the case.
We have a similar situation here in the EU where they want to implement a similar minimum wage but the Nordics and their (very powerful and influential) worker unions are opposing it because they believe it to be a threat to the so called "Nordic model" where wages are mainly negotiated between employers and the worker unions. The EU on the other hand argues that the wages in these countries are already so far above the proposed minimum wage that the Nordics wouldn't be affected by it. I find the whole situation a bit strange and ironic to be honest. Basically a bunch of social democrats, much like Bernie, but they oppose a minimum wage because they perceive it as a threat to their "model" which they consider superior.
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Originally posted by aksdb View Post
Isn't the basic stance, that everything that is in some way social, is considered communist, and communism is still considered the arch nemesis of freedom?
This has also spilled over a bit on Europe I think, partly due to the massive influence of American pop culture, but also because western Europe was under threat from the Soviet Union during the cold war. Still, leftist social and economical policys is somewhat more accepted in Europe than in the US, especially in the Nordic countries and perhaps also central Europe and Iberia. Not so much in the UK though.
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Originally posted by Brisse View Post
I mostly agree, but I'm provoked by the notion that race or sex are "irrelevant".
The problems are with Identity politics that it has many many issues:
1. it creates lot of opposition, if you say retarded things like if you hate people just because they are white you are no racist and other stuff like that, even if you find some retarded academic reason that would make that somehow right, that is uncommunicatable and creates hate, like if you hit your child, likely he will hit his child.
2. putting some rich blacks or women in high political positions and make them do horrible things is then somehow whitewashed, if we have brutal war criminals and neolibleral that do horrible crimes murder thousends of women or other crimes I give a shit about their genitals or where they come from.
3. even the notion of existence of race is racist in itself, so why does the US have even forms where you have to name your "race" which literally makes no sense in humans. We tried that in germany with meassuring skulls, that was not really a good idea. Here in germany we have no affermitive action for "race" and if so then this is more the exception, yet americans living say usually we have less racism here than in the US. Even the notion of "interracial couples" is a foreign strange concept.
It's especially "funny" if you ask a child from a black and white couple to select a race and they then have to decide whom they love more and pick their race.
4. Yes race correlates strongly with class, but not strong enough, I mean still most whites are pure, but even if most whites would somehow be rich, why use a proxy for class when you can use class directly? There is no reason, also you have then some poor whites fighting against your policy even the goal was to help their class, because you made it unnecessarily about race.
But again I can see to have that low priority also in there sure but the focus must be CLASS. And with sex you have it just 180 degree wrong, if you look at police brutality, at prison inmate stats, at genital mutilation of babies, suicides, and homelessness, live expectency, education levels, workplace deaths, then you notice that man are the sex with the worse deal, and surely not only because of women but feminists helped creating this situation... Even (white) women notice that, and voted 2016 for trump, because they have sometimes boys and fathers and brothers, so they don't want to see them all fail with more sexism against men.
Sure there would maybe some identity politic help, but you split up people, so helping most people economically, would also help most man, and women because they would not leave the man because the economy made them "loosers" so often.
and your male sibling would then have a higher class status.
Also Women have the state they have hateful and unjust divorce laws... the list of sexism against man is endless... so stop victim shaming... that is really annoying. Inform yourself I pointed out the facts if you look into the statistics I mention you must be very ignorant to claim that women are the oppressed or did I miss the prisons full of women, I guess women are the victims because this man can't work as slaves for the women to be good utility-objects for the women, give me a break...
That's interesting that Sanders would vote against minimum wage, I didn't know he had done that. Maybe he had reasons though? What if it was part of a bill that was watered down by mainstream dems and republicans? I can see why he would oppose it if that was the case.
Personally I am against minimum wages and like more the idea of a UBI, but if you can't get that and things are horrible in the US, I would push that, they had the chance to #forcethevote to not vote for Pelosi and force a vote for the healthcare bill on the floor. They didn't and AOC claimed that they don't want to do that to push later for the 15 dollar bill... now that is out the window and they did nothing against it.
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