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Last edited by torsionbar28; 11 March 2021, 04:38 PM.
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Originally posted by torsionbar28 View PostFalse, go read your own words again. You make a blanket bigoted statement about "religious people". You specifically attributed that language. Again, that is no different than making blanket bigoted statements about "black people".
What then would you call Ignoring the science that proves there is no statistically significant difference in the way black people are treated - whether in policing or in employment - at least here in the US (I cannot speak to other countries)? It seems you are making accusations of "ignoring science" while doing so yourself.
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Originally posted by DKJones View PostNo, I didn't. I said bigotry and hypocrisy among religious people is part of what is turning people off.
Violent crime among Black people is part of what is turning people off. "Ooga booga, give me your money or I'll shoot you!"
FYI the second sentence is independent, I am not attributing it to any individual or group. See what I did there? Or rather, what you did there?
Originally posted by DKJones View PostI have never seen such science. Perhaps you made it up? In fact a cursory search suggests the exact opposite: https://qz.com/1724590/colorism-infl...w-study-finds/
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/mo...ment_-_ers.pdf
Black males are 6% of the US population, but are responsible for 60% of the violent crime. Of course they are going to be jailed at a disproportionally higher rate than the general population - they are committing violent crimes at a disproportionately higher rate than the general population. This isn't rocket science. The real question is are they being jailed at a rate disproportionally higher than their crime rate, and the answer is a clear no, as numerous studies have shown (linked below).
Originally posted by torsionbar28 View Post
Two off the top of my head, let me know if you'd like more. Both articles link to a number of scholarly papers and studies. These are specific to policing, let me know if you'd like employment related research instead.Edit: one more, from the National Academy of the Sciences:"We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers."Last edited by torsionbar28; 11 March 2021, 04:57 PM.
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Originally posted by torsionbar28 View PostFollowed immediately by quotations where the implication is that "religious people" said them. Lets try it on a different way:
Violent crime among Black people is part of what is turning people off. "Ooga booga, give me your money or I'll shoot you!"
FYI the second sentence is independent, I am not attributing it to any individual or group. See what I did there? Or rather, what you did there?
Check the science. Both your sources make a false equivalence, equating outcomes with skin color, while ignoring everything in between. Equality is about opportunity, NOT outcome.
Any system based on equality of *outcome* is inherently biased and racist.
Black males are 6% of the US population, but are responsible for 60% of the violent crime.
Which isn't to say of course that there aren't successful Black people. What happened, though, when an African American became President? He was succeeded by a man whose history of racism (to say nothing of his sexism or ableism) goes back at least to the seventies.
Of course they are going to be jailed at a disproportionally higher rate than the general population - they are committing violent crimes at a disproportionately higher rate than the general population. This isn't rocket science.
Phoronix won't let me quote the remainder of your comment for some reason, but the fact that we can both point to articles that suggest what we believe rather suggests that at best, the evidence is mixed. You'll forgive me, though, for trusting Harvard rather more than the Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal.Last edited by DKJones; 11 March 2021, 05:21 PM.
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Instead of arguing with the alt-right (which is pointless), I suggest to go on Y*uT*be and spend some time going through "Innuendo Studios" playlist called "The Alt-Right Playbook". It will be more satisfying and interesting than arguing with these trolls. It might even be educational. Highly recommended.
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Originally posted by Brisse View PostInstead of arguing with the alt-right (which is pointless), I suggest to go on Y*uT*be and spend some time going through "Innuendo Studios" playlist called "The Alt-Right Playbook". It will be more satisfying and interesting than arguing with these trolls. It might even be educational. Highly recommended.
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Originally posted by DKJones View PostYour hypocrisy and word-twisting is showing.
Originally posted by DKJones View PostIt's not equality of opportunity if people won't employ you/assume you're a criminal because of your skin colour.
Originally posted by DKJones View PostNobody mentioned equality of outcome. Until you did.
Originally posted by DKJones View PostThey're also likely to be among the poorest and least well-educated, which is conducive (if that's the right word) to criminality; remove the conditions where skin colour predicts income and education, and the crime statistic will follow suit.
Originally posted by DKJones View PostWhich isn't to say of course that there aren't successful Black people. What happened, though, when an African American became President? He was succeeded by a man whose history of racism (to say nothing of his racism or ableism) goes back at least to the seventies.
Unlike his predecessor Obama, who cratered black outcomes for nearly a decade, and built chain-link cages to house the surge - that he created - of illegal alien children at the southern border. Who's the racist again??
Meanwhile we have a current president who is an actual racist, opposed black integration at the public schools, publicly claims he "loves Indians because he sees them every time he goes to 7-11". He tells a black audience "you're not black" if you don't vote for him. He tells a black audience they'll be "put back into chains" if they don't vote for him. Joe Biden is a racist KKK Nazi of the highest order. Never mind actual card-carrying members of the KKK that were Democratic Party members in good standing, like Senator Byrd.
Originally posted by DKJones View Postbut the fact that we can both point to articles that suggest what we believe rather suggests that at best, the evidence is mixed. You'll forgive me, though, for trusting Harvard more than the Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal.
I provided studies of actual police and crime statistics. It seems you're unable to argue your position based on its merits, and have instead resorted to attacking the messenger. The WSJ article linked to a number of peer-reviewed scientific studies. Not that you bothered to read it.
Originally posted by skeevy420 View PostHoly Shit. I see the good people on both sides are out in full force today.Last edited by torsionbar28; 11 March 2021, 05:40 PM.
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Meanwhile we have a current president who is an actual racist, opposed black integration at the public schools, publicly claims he "loves Indians because he sees them every time he goes to 7-11". He tells a black audience "you're not black" if you don't vote for him. He tells a black audience they'll be "put back into chains" if they don't vote for him. Joe Biden is a racist KKK Nazi of the highest order. Never mind actual card-carrying members of the KKK that were Democratic Party members in good standing, like Senator Byrd.
Well I can't go to sleep yet, someone is wrong on the Internet, dammit.
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Originally posted by DKJones View PostOh, Please.
Originally posted by DKJones View PostMust be your profession. You and all the other alt-right losers on this thread are going on my ignore list, so feel free to sleep until you get a grip.
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