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GCC Is Currently Faster Than LLVM's Clang At Compiling The Linux Kernel

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  • #11
    Originally posted by kravemir View Post

    It doesn't matter. Clang/LLVM is the best of compilers without viral license restricting developers freedom. GCC might be the best, when considering performance only, but GCC won't get adopted by corporate projects.
    W8, you think that nobody used gcc for their corporate projects?!?!? What! You seriously need to look outside your little bubble.

    Also, just because gcc is GPL, doesn't mean that the things you compile with it will be, you are still free to use what ever license you like even if you compile it with gcc.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by AnAccount View Post

      W8, you think that nobody used gcc for their corporate projects?!?!? What! You seriously need to look outside your little bubble.

      Also, just because gcc is GPL, doesn't mean that the things you compile with it will be, you are still free to use what ever license you like even if you compile it with gcc.
      Apple couldn't ship later GCC versions anymore due to GPLv3. It's the same, some corporations simply cannot compile their software anymore, they'd have to donate all their source code that was ever compiled with GCC (even internally) to RM Stallman.

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      • #13
        Seriously.... Compile time does not matter that much. It is the quality of the generated code that really matters.

        http://www.dirtcellar.net

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        • #14
          Originally posted by caligula View Post

          Apple couldn't ship later GCC versions anymore due to GPLv3. It's the same, some corporations simply cannot compile their software anymore, they'd have to donate all their source code that was ever compiled with GCC (even internally) to RM Stallman.
          That's untrue. The output of a programs is neither derivative work, nor subject to a license. Use a Linux OS and compile your proprietary software with GCC as much as you like.

          Corporation and their shill dislike any mention of "Free Software" or copyleft licenses. The issue with Apple and GPLv3 is:

          1) GPLv3 prohibits patent lawsuits against those that use your software you ship licensed as such.

          2) GPLv3 explicitly prevents the so called Tivoization, locking down your hardware, so that people can't run software other than the one you ship with.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by waxhead View Post
            Seriously.... Compile time does not matter that much. It is the quality of the generated code that really matters.
            It absolutely does matter for development.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by caligula View Post

              Apple couldn't ship later GCC versions anymore due to GPLv3. It's the same, some corporations simply cannot compile their software anymore, they'd have to donate all their source code that was ever compiled with GCC (even internally) to RM Stallman.
              And this is good. Fuck apple and other corporate leeches.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by AnAccount View Post

                W8, you think that nobody used gcc for their corporate projects?!?!? What! You seriously need to look outside your little bubble.

                Also, just because gcc is GPL, doesn't mean that the things you compile with it will be, you are still free to use what ever license you like even if you compile it with gcc.
                Yep. I did look outside of FOSS-fanboyism-bubble, and then I realized, that GPL's viral aspect doesn't contribute to sustainable economy... It's just, people inside FOSS-bubble are so keen on "Freedom as in free beer", that the opposite opinion heavily touches their communism and/or socialism identity.

                You, the most likely, wouldn't be serving a beer (software solutions) for free in your own time, and using your own resources to purchase the pub (computer, office, table, other tools, and paid software licenses), because somebody gave you a free table under GPL license. That's the viral aspect of GPL license,... if you touch a GPL software with yours final solution, you must give away your product for free.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by kravemir View Post

                  Yep. I did look outside of FOSS-fanboyism-bubble, and then I realized, that GPL's viral aspect doesn't contribute to sustainable economy... It's just, people inside FOSS-bubble are so keen on "Freedom as in free beer", that the opposite opinion heavily touches their communism and/or socialism identity.

                  You, the most likely, wouldn't be serving a beer (software solutions) for free in your own time, and using your own resources to purchase the pub (computer, office, table, other tools, and paid software licenses), because somebody gave you a free table under GPL license. That's the viral aspect of GPL license,... if you touch a GPL software with yours final solution, you must give away your product for free.
                  You do not need to give away your product for free, you just need to provide the source code with the binary. RMS himself sold emacs and there is nothing wrong with it, you can still make a giant load of money from support and distributing those free software projects.

                  Sustainable economy grows like a well fertilized plant around FLOSS, and there is a very good reason for it. Guess its all just fanboyism.

                  And of course I would make everyone free beer from my time when I can use the free products the others provide, never had a family or friends?. Now go back to the things greedy people normally do.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post

                    You do not need to give away your product for free, you just need to provide the source code with the binary. RMS himself sold emacs and there is nothing wrong with it, you can still make a giant load of money from support and distributing those free software projects.
                    Try selling open-source software now,...

                    Sustainable economy grows like a well fertilized plant around FLOSS, and there is a very good reason for it. Guess its all just fanboyism.
                    How many developers are living money made by FLOSS development?

                    And of course I would make everyone free beer from my time when I can use the free products the others provide, never had a family or friends?. Now go back to the things greedy people normally do.
                    With GPL you're obligated to always serve the beer for free, and not just from time to time,... that's the viral aspect of GPL, "Freedom as in free beer", which greedy consumer users/people like, to be given things for free. So, greedy FLOSS proponents normally just do fight to preserve their "rights", to preserve GPL, to preserve "Freedom as in free beer".

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                    • #20
                      I've been lucky enough to be in the bar several times when management from the local brewery came in and bought everyone free rounds multiple times, I was leaving and they were still giving it away - that doesn't mean that I don't like free beer.

                      I have a Samsung phone (is that "corporate" enough) and it has GPL code, and as is required they mention that when you go into the "About" page in the phone settings:

                      "libgnustl_shared.so (The GNU C++ Library) GNU General Public License version 3 Version 3, 29 June 2007" - just one example.

                      Much as it's difficult to get away without having to pay for something it's sometimes difficult to get away from getting things for free.

                      We've heard you, thanks for that; I'll be leaving now.

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