NihAV Is An Experimental Multimedia Framework Written In Rust

[acobar]

Why are Rust project names so negative? Like:

- Rust (a bad thing for metals)
- Corrode (same thing)
- ripgrep (sounds scary, like Rest in Peace, grep)
- NihAV (not implemented here AV)

nih -> not invented here.

[wswartzendruber]

Except that if you don't want to do so in a meaningful sense, there are ways to lawyer around it, like compiling a binary containing nothing but NihAV which communicates with the rest of your program through pipes or loopback sockets.

People have tried to close that "hole" before, but you run up against the problem that you also make the license unsatisfiable because the resulting license either fails the FSF/OSI/Debian definitions of open-source licensing or is incompatible with the licenses of other processes running on the same host or both.

You know, MPL-2.0 isn't the most restrictive copyleft license by any means, but it is the most clear-cut and enforceable.

[bug77]

I don't think AGPL works the way it's described here. I have personally worked on an AGPL product that also had commercial, closed source modules.
The open part you can still see here: https://github.com/sipXcom/sipxecs/c...66b8e2b9ba50bd

[kpedersen]

The GPL never solved any of that. Tell me one software as a service provider that provides open source for the software that powers their service. There is no company who ever was like "oh lets open source our bread and butter service offering that we get all our revenue from so we can make use of this AGPL library".

That is exactly it. Companies don't like to do this. So it seems like the AGPL license does work in that companies have had to write their own (re)implementation wasting their resources rather than just using a tried and tested (albeit AGPL) open-source solution.

Whereas a startup community or open-source project can avoid this extra work by just using the AGPL licensed software because their project is open-source anyway. Because they can skip the extra work, they are more likely to be competitive in the market place. Everyone is a winner.

I wish more software that underpins open-source communities did use AGPL rather than companies wrapping it up with a fancy logo and charging for subscription. Just imagine if GNU/Linux went to AGPL / Commercial dual license. Think of the uproar. The Linux foundation would make a fair amount from the commercial dual license.

Personally, I think every developer is free to use whatever license they want for their code. Then, based on that license, you can decide to use it or not. And that's it. There's no right or wrong here.

That is very true. What I do think is wrong though is someone saying that they support the GNU idea of free software (and that BSD/MIT is bad because it can be closed up by a company) and then avoiding AGPL code because it cannot be monetised (and effectively closed up behind a cloud trinket).

(uid313, not suggesting this refers to you. You are obviously just dealing with commercial development. Not really GPL or open-source so I can see why you would be a little inconvenienced by an AGPL dependency )

[bug77]

Why are Rust project names so negative? Like:

- Rust (a bad thing for metals)
- Corrode (same thing)
- ripgrep (sounds scary, like Rest in Peace, grep)
- NihAV (not implemented here AV)

It's tongue in cheek for the most part. Rust programmers call themselves rustaceans...

Well yeah. This is what prevents people from building on the hard work of others and not passing those same freedoms to their own users. This is exactly what the whole GPL ecosystem of licenses is really trying to solve. People who push GPL but not AGPL for their "cloud" trinkets probably feel quite smart that they have found a "loophole" but it really means that they simply aren't willing to embrace FSF open-source. Kinda like the UK and the Euro XD.

I wish the GPLv3 was a little more weaponised to include parts of the AGPL. Of course if you want to give your immediate users ultimate freedom, there is MIT and BSD licenses.

This is entering philosophical territory: which code is truly free, the one you can use however you want or the one you must use however the license dictates?

Personally, I think every developer is free to use whatever license they want for their code. Then, based on that license, you can decide to use it or not. And that's it. There's no right or wrong here.

[uid313]

Well yeah. This is what prevents people from building on the hard work of others and not passing those same freedoms to their own users. This is exactly what the whole GPL ecosystem of licenses is really trying to solve. People who push GPL but not AGPL for their "cloud" trinkets probably feel quite smart that they have found a "loophole" but it really means that they simply aren't willing to embrace FSF open-source. Kinda like the UK and the Euro XD.

I wish the GPLv3 was a little more weaponised to include parts of the AGPL. Of course if you want to give your immediate users ultimate freedom, there is MIT and BSD licenses.

The GPL never solved any of that. Tell me one software as a service provider that provides open source for the software that powers their service. There is no company who ever was like "oh lets open source our bread and butter service offering that we get all our revenue from so we can make use of this AGPL library".

[kpedersen]

Then you cant use it to build a software as a service. AGPL it also viral, so if link a library that is AGPL then you must open source your entire application, which may be offered as a service.

Well yeah. This is what prevents people from building on the hard work of others and not passing those same freedoms to their own users. This is exactly what the whole GPL ecosystem of licenses is really trying to solve. People who push GPL but not AGPL for their "cloud" trinkets probably feel quite smart that they have found a "loophole" but it really means that they simply aren't willing to embrace FSF open-source. Kinda like the UK and the Euro XD.

I wish the GPLv3 was a little more weaponised to include parts of the AGPL. Of course if you want to give your immediate users ultimate freedom, there is MIT and BSD licenses.

[tildearrow]

I know right, C projects are much more sane:

Well, at least those were kinda funny and silly.

[cl333r]

Why are Rust project names so negative? Like:

- Rust (a bad thing for metals)
- Corrode (same thing)
- ripgrep (sounds scary, like Rest in Peace, grep)
- NihAV (not implemented here AV)

I know right, C projects are much more sane:

 [TABLE="class: wikitable"]
 	 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.20-rc2–[B]2.6.20[/B]–[/TD]
 			[TD]Homicidal [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phodopus"]Dwarf Hamster[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-16"][16][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-17"][17][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.21-rc4–[B]2.6.21[/B]–[/TD]
 			[TD]Nocturnal Monster [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy"]Puppy[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-a-18"][18][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.22-rc3–2.6.22-rc4[/TD]
 			[TD]Jeff Thinks I Should Change This, But To What?[/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.22-rc5–[B]2.6.22[/B]—[/TD]
 			[TD]Holy Dancing [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manatee"]Manatees[/URL], [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman"]Batman[/URL]![SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-19"][19][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.23-rc4–2.6.23-rc6[/TD]
 			[TD]Pink Farting Weasel[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-20"][20][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.23-rc7–[B]2.6.23[/B]–[B]2.6.24[/B]–[/TD]
 			[TD]Arr Matey! A Hairy Bilge Rat![SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-21"][21][/URL][/SUP] ([URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_a_Pirate_Day"]TLAPD[/URL] 2007)[/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]stable: 2.6.24.1–[/TD]
 			[TD]Err Metey! A Heury Beelge-a Ret![SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-22"][22][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.25-rc2–[B]2.6.25[/B]–[/TD]
 			[TD]Funky Weasel is Jiggy wit it[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-23"][23][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.26-rc6–[B]2.6.26[/B]–[B]2.6.27[/B]–[/TD]
 			[TD]Rotary [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wombat"]Wombat[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-24"][24][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]stable: 2.6.27.3–[/TD]
 			[TD]Trembling [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortoise"]Tortoise[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-25"][25][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.28-rc1–2.6.28-rc6[/TD]
 			[TD]Killer [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat"]Bat[/URL] of Doom[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-26"][26][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-27"][27][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.28-rc7–[B]2.6.28[/B]–2.6.29-rc8[/TD]
 			[TD]Erotic Pickled [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herring"]Herring[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-28"][28][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD][B]2.6.29[/B][/TD]
 			[TD]Temporary [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmanian_Devil"]Tasmanian Devil[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-29"][29][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-30"][30][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.30-rc4–2.6.30-rc6[/TD]
 			[TD]Vindictive [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo"]Armadillo[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-31"][31][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-32"][32][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.30-rc7–[B]2.6.30[/B]–[B]2.6.31[/B]–[B]2.6.32[/B]–[B]2.6.33[/B]–2.6.34-rc4[/TD]
 			[TD]Man-Eating [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinniped"]Seals[/URL] of Antiquity[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-33"][33][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-34"][34][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.34-rc5-[B]2.6.34[/B]–[B]2.6.35[/B][/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep"]Sheep[/URL] on [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine"]Meth[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-35"][35][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-36"][36][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]stable: 2.6.35.7–[/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokohama"]Yokohama[/URL][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]2.6.36-rc8–[B]2.6.36[/B]–[B]2.6.37[/B]–[B]2.6.38[/B]-[B]2.6.39[/B][/TD]
 			[TD]Flesh-Eating Bats with Fangs[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-37"][37][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-38"][38][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.0-rc1–[B]3.0[/B][/TD]
 			[TD]Sneaky Weasel[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-39"][39][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-40"][40][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.1-rc2[/TD]
 			[TD]Wet [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earless_seal"]Seal[/URL][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.1-rc3–[B]3.1[/B][/TD]
 			[TD]Divemaster Edition[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-41"][41][/URL][/SUP] (Linus' diving activities)[/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.2-rc1–[B]3.2[/B]–[B]3.3[/B]–[B]3.4[/B]–[B]3.5[/B]–[/TD]
 			[TD]Saber-toothed [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel"]Squirrel[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-42"][42][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.6-rc7–[B]3.6[/B]–[B]3.7[/B]—[/TD]
 			[TD]Terrified [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipmunk"]Chipmunk[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-43"][43][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-44"][44][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.8-rc6–[B]3.8[/B]–[B]3.9[/B]–[B]3.10[/B]–[/TD]
 			[TD]Unicycling [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla"]Gorilla[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-45"][45][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-46"][46][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]stable: 3.8.5–[/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dislocated_shoulder"]Displaced Humerus Anterior[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-47"][47][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]stable: 3.9.6–[/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Squirrel"]Black Squirrel[/URL] Wakeup Call[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-48"][48][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]stable: 3.10.6–[/TD]
 			[TD]TOSSUG Baby Fish[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-49"][49][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-50"][50][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-51"][51][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-52"][52][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.11-rc1–[B]3.11[/B][/TD]
 			[TD]Linux [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_for_Workgroups"]for Workgroups[/URL] (20 years of Windows 3.11)[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-53"][53][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.12-rc1–[/TD]
 			[TD]Suicidal Squirrel[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-54"][54][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.13-rc1[/TD]
 			[TD]One Giant Leap for [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog"]Frogkind[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-55"][55][/URL][/SUP] ([URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LADEE"]NASA LADEE launch photo[/URL])[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-56"][56][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.14-rc1[/TD]
 			[TD]Shuffling [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie"]Zombie[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juror"]Juror[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-57"][57][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]3.18-rc3[/TD]
 			[TD]Diseased [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt"]Newt[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-58"][58][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.0[/TD]
 			[TD]Hurr durr I'ma sheep[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-59"][59][/URL][/SUP] (Internet poll)[/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.1.1[/TD]
 			[TD]Series 4800[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-60"][60][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.3-rc5[/TD]
 			[TD]Blurry Fish Butt[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-61"][61][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-62"][62][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.6-rc6[/TD]
 			[TD]Charred [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel"]Weasel[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-63"][63][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.7-rc1[/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis"]Psychotic[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_intoxication"]Stoned[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep"]Sheep[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-64"][64][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.9[/TD]
 			[TD]Roaring [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds"]Lionus[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-65"][65][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-66"][66][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.10-rc5[/TD]
 			[TD]Anniversary Edition[SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-67"][67][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.10-rc6[/TD]
 			[TD]Fearless [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote"]Coyote[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-68"][68][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.17-rc4[/TD]
 			[TD]Merciless [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moray_eel"]Moray[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-69"][69][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.19[/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python%27s_Life_of_Brian#Plot"]"People's Front"[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-70"][70][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]4.20-rc4–[B]5.0[/B][/TD]
 			[TD]Shy [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile"]Crocodile[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-71"][71][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]5.2-rc2[/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_men%27s_national_ice_hockey_team"]Golden Lions[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-72"][72][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-73"][73][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]5.2[/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobtail_Squid"]Bobtail Squid[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-74"][74][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]5.4-rc2[/TD]
 			[TD]Nesting [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opossum"]Opossum[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-75"][75][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
 		[/TR]
 		[TR]
 			[TD]5.4-rc5[/TD]
 			[TD][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptomania"]Kleptomaniac[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus"]Octopus[/URL][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names#cite_note-76"][76][/URL][/SUP][/TD]
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[uid313]

You mean you can take without giving back? :/

I like submit issues on GitHub, send in pull requests, help reproduce bugs, help with the documentation and the wiki. I like open source software that I write on my spare time. But when I am at my workplace, then we can't really use AGPL software.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm curious why is AGPL bad?

Then you cant use it to build a software as a service. AGPL it also viral, so if link a library that is AGPL then you must open source your entire application, which may be offered as a service.