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  • #41
    I'm genuinely surprised at the number of people in this thread absolutely baulking at the very idea of using an open-source, free tool instead of a proprietary, closed-source and paid for alternative. Yet having the audacity to blast Microsoft for their shady business practices 20 years ago.

    The mind boggles.

    VS Code is a great, general purpose code editor. Its not got all the bells and whistles of a fully-fledged IDE, but it isn't really supposed to. In spite of what some might say, it is lightweight for what it does. It's never going to beat the performance of vim or nano, but again that's not its purpose. I use it all the time, it's great to just look at and edit code. If I want to debug that code, I'll use a different tool. If I want to quickly edit a small text file, I'll use a different tool.

    There's something between an ultra-lightweight text editor and a fully-fledged IDE and that something is VS Code.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by iznogood View Post
      I also remember a post from Miguel de Icaza a few years ago, saying that although they where building software for Linux - Mono project, their team used MacBooks.
      you can say it the other way: they are microsoft employees but their team used macbooks

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      • #43
        Originally posted by bregma View Post
        On the whole it's still not as good as vim for what I do (C++ compiler and library development), but still better than a wretched full-on IDE.
        using text editors for development is why we can't have nice things ( quick c++ compiler and library development )

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        • #44
          Originally posted by clavko View Post
          Also, had ok-ish experience with KDevelop, though had some crashes with it.
          Thank you. I was almost desperate: 4 pages into the thread and it seemed that nobody was going to mention KDevelop, my personal own favourite.

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          • #45
            VS Code is excellent for haskell development. Also, I wouldn't call it slow, it launches in less than half a second on my computer

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            • #46
              Originally posted by pal666 View Post
              using web editor for c++ development is strange. jetbrains is bad example, real ide is open source and comes with distro
              Which distro? The text editors that come with Ubuntu are fine for syntax highlighting but sometimes I want autocomplete and error highlighting. If I was any good at programming then syntax highlighting alone would be good enough, professionals with years of experience wouldn't need anything else for simple programs anyway.
              Originally posted by pal666 View Post
              what is stopping you from keeping all one file programs in one project?
              That sounds like a huge mess. IDEs considers one project to be one program, I don't see how having loads of different files that have no relation to each other together is a good idea. In VSCods you can just open a file, make a few changes and close it, no need to have any kind of "project" file/folder bloat.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by kpedersen View Post

                Avoiding future products based on past experiences with a company? Yes! This is a fairly normal thing to do.

                Possibly also a reason why people don't vote so much for i.e the German Nationalist Party anymore
                Pretty "not-wise" comparison if you ask me. Also as a Polish nationalist I would like to know what "German Nationalist Party" you have in mind. I bet you tried to refer to Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP). FYI Nationalism isn't National-socialism (Nasizm). If you really want to use it as a comparison (still very silly thing to do, and particullary when we are talking here about computer software) then at least know what terms you are using truly means. I recommend you using dictionary more often. It was German National-SOCIALISM Labour Party. Socialism = leftist ideology. Karl Marx. Get it?
                And going back to main topic, VS Code is Open Source software. Also past experience with company X or Y should have nothing to do with the tool itself. Either it makes the job done or not. In other words it's either good or not. Do you consider C# a bad language/tool because it was invented for MS, or by MS? Banshee, HandBreak, Open Dental, SharpDevelop, GNOME Do or Colectica are all written with C#. Probably people should stop using them. Same for Unity Engine which uses C# as a scripting language. I would like to remind you that C# was "approved as an international standard by Ecma (ECMA-334) and ISO (ISO/IEC 23270:2018)". It's good to be Open Source Software fan, but being a fanboy? Not my cup of coffee.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by DoMiNeLa10 View Post

                  I do, considering the history of Microsoft, I can't trust them with any software. They are hostile, and I think being careful around them based on that is a pretty sane thing to do.
                  Valid. Yet AFAIK VS Code is Open Source, but maybe something has changed lately. You can always download and read the source if you are so afraid. There is a difference between being cautious and paranoid. It is MS who lost the internet war. Most internet servers runs not on Windows but Linux or other platforms. Hyper-V is a competitir for other solutions. Windows Subsystem for Linux, VS Code for each platform. It's like admitting that they are fighting for customers. They want people to buy full blown Visual Studio in place of VS Code. VS Code is just an advertisement. But that should be rather obvious.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by DebianXFCE Jr View Post
                    (Microsoft, ed.) want people to buy full blown Visual Studio in place of VS Code. VS Code is just an advertisement. But that should be rather obvious.
                    I think this is THE most salient point: Everything and anything Microsoft does that involves Open Source should be considered an on-ramp for buying their products and services. And everything related to WSL is not as much an on-ramp as it is a customer retention policy; it's MS trying to incentivise existing Windows shops to not jump ship to macOS or e.g. Ubuntu wholesale by making it easier to re-use skills learned on *nix when deploying to Linux-on-Azure from within a Windows environment.

                    Note that there is nothing evil about this: AIUI, Fedora was originally started by RedHat because RH engineers convinced RH management that having a freely available, open source, rapidly updated test-bed would make it easier for potential customers to evaluate and get used to the RH ecosystem, potentially leading more of them to buy RHEL contracts for serious production purposes.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by DebianXFCE Jr View Post

                      Valid. Yet AFAIK VS Code is Open Source, but maybe something has changed lately. You can always download and read the source if you are so afraid. There is a difference between being cautious and paranoid. It is MS who lost the internet war. Most internet servers runs not on Windows but Linux or other platforms. Hyper-V is a competitir for other solutions. Windows Subsystem for Linux, VS Code for each platform. It's like admitting that they are fighting for customers. They want people to buy full blown Visual Studio in place of VS Code. VS Code is just an advertisement. But that should be rather obvious.
                      VS Code isn't fully "open source" unless you use a cut down version which removes proprietary Microsoft code. Most people use the proprietary version. It is also worth mentioning that VS Code is a tool used to shove TypeScript down people's throats, which is a Microsoft product. I assume it wouldn't be as popular without the push provided by this editor.

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