PipeWire Is Making Progress But Still Needs More Time To Mature

[Anvil]

always wondered why Lennart Dug PulseAudio from the Grave an didnt work on a complete New Video/Audio thingie.

[moonlite]

Yeah, this forum is pretty awful. I can't speak for say, /. these days, haven't been a regular there in years. But while some threads on here can be fine, many are on par with youtube for terribleness. I block a number of the worst people here, but still see quite a lot of bad behavior.

Indeed.

[coder]

How is it toxic to say that that a developer who's become somewhat infamous for starting projects with poor release QA and bad PR surrounding the matter is not involved in your project?

Not to mention poor docs. Half of the public API functions I've tried to use in systemd have no manpages or even header file comments. That's just ridiculous, at this point. And a lot of the manpages they do have are just jumbles of minutiae.

Anyway, this thread makes me sad. I came to learn more about PipeWire, and now I'm just sad.

[leiptrstormr]

no it isnt.

the amount of personal attacks against lennart in this forum warrants a total ban of anyone mentioning his name. it has come as far that if i were lennart, i'd seriously consider reporting this site to the authorities

Kill yourself.

[polarathene]

Came to read discussion on the actual PipeWire post, ended up seeing a squabble and just scrolling down the pages looking at usernames rather than comments as it was easier to filter through. Disappointed that there really wasn't much talk at all about the actual post content, derailed hard, be the better community members guys and just don't feed the others, let them believe what they want, avoids this mess. People who might have had some interest in discussion may have bailed before making it to page 3 :\

[coder]

More like you post bullshit backed by technical-sounding reasons and refuse to back down when your "technical" arguments are debunked.

I mean, opinions is one thing, bullshit is another.

"Refuse to back down"? Eh, this is kind of the problem, isn't it? You can't make someone accept your point. You can make your case, and if they still persist, then there's no reason to continue. The best thing we can hope to achieve is education, and that requires the other parties be receptive to the information you're offering. If so, then some good may come of continuing.

Once an argument becomes less about the issue & more about ego (hint: usually a sign of this is when the point(s) of contention shift away from the original topic), it's a good sign that irreconcilable differences will surface.

BTW, if I understand correctly, I'm not a fan of the user-blocking feature. It's an understandable compromise, but discussions quickly break down, as more users start missing more of the conversation. Furthermore, I think misinformation deserves to be answered and potential troll posts should be noted. It is a band-aid solution, at best.

If someone becomes abusive or otherwise problematic, then mods should step in and coach that person to modify their approach (i.e. pointing out where they crossed lines or made counterproductive moves). When they fail to modify their own behavior, after such guidance, then sanctioning should happen. I like to think of this as constructive moderation. I'm not a fan of highly punitive moderation, because we're all fallible. Leaning too heavily on AI to do the moderation has the very real negative consequence of misfiring and stifling the conversation.

So, I guess I'm saying "check yourself", before deciding the problem lies entirely with the other. I don't mean to single you out - it goes for us all.

[scottishduck]

Kill yourself.

Another balanced and calm post by the anti-Lennart brigade

[pal666]

Features low-latency, support alsa, support jack, support gstreamer, will handle bluetooth, pure C without C++, no glib, and lennart isn't involved.
Wow! It's like utopia becoming reality....

everything is true for pulseaudio, even lennart now is not involved
wow it's like some idiot lives in alternative reality

[pal666]

Projects by Lennart have a history of getting very visibly put into production at a stage where they cause end-user regressions and, especially with PulseAudio, the devs then blame bugs in other projects and wash their hands of the matter.

the bugs were in other project and "the devs" didn't put pulseaudio in broken state in ubuntu, ubuntu devs did that, so only moron would blame "the devs" for other devs failings

End users don't care which project's code is actually buggy...

end users don't care what pulseaudio is and who is its author. when ubuntu is broken, end users blame ubuntu. when someone blames lennart, he is not end user, he is misinformed idiot

How is it toxic to say that that a developer who's become somewhat infamous for starting projects with poor release QA and bad PR surrounding the matter is not involved in your project?

it is very toxic and stupid of you to blame develper for ubuntu failure to qa their releases

[pal666]

Not to mention poor docs. Half of the public API functions I've tried to use in systemd have no manpages or even header file comments.

then maybe those functions are not ready yet for being used by you?
or maybe they are just waiting for your pull request with comments and docs?