PipeWire Is Making Progress But Still Needs More Time To Mature

[leiptrstormr]

no it isnt.

the amount of personal attacks against lennart in this forum warrants a total ban of anyone mentioning his name. it has come as far that if i were lennart, i'd seriously consider reporting this site to the authorities

Kill yourself.

[coder]

How is it toxic to say that that a developer who's become somewhat infamous for starting projects with poor release QA and bad PR surrounding the matter is not involved in your project?

Not to mention poor docs. Half of the public API functions I've tried to use in systemd have no manpages or even header file comments. That's just ridiculous, at this point. And a lot of the manpages they do have are just jumbles of minutiae.

Anyway, this thread makes me sad. I came to learn more about PipeWire, and now I'm just sad.

[moonlite]

Yeah, this forum is pretty awful. I can't speak for say, /. these days, haven't been a regular there in years. But while some threads on here can be fine, many are on par with youtube for terribleness. I block a number of the worst people here, but still see quite a lot of bad behavior.

Indeed.

[Anvil]

always wondered why Lennart Dug PulseAudio from the Grave an didnt work on a complete New Video/Audio thingie.

[KellyClowers]

Yeah, this forum is pretty awful. I can't speak for say, /. these days, haven't been a regular there in years. But while some threads on here can be fine, many are on par with youtube for terribleness. I block a number of the worst people here, but still see quite a lot of bad behavior.

[ssokolow]

what a toxic forum this is

Projects by Lennart have a history of getting very visibly put into production at a stage where they cause end-user regressions and, especially with PulseAudio, the devs then blame bugs in other projects and wash their hands of the matter.

End users don't care which project's code is actually buggy... just what changed to bring about the broken behaviour in the released system.

That produces a "once burned, twice shy" effect. End of story.

How is it toxic to say that that a developer who's become somewhat infamous for starting projects with poor release QA and bad PR surrounding the matter is not involved in your project? Are things getting so politically correct that the effects of a developer's action or inaction can no longer earn a poor reputation?

[duby229]

More like you post bullshit backed by technical-sounding reasons and refuse to back down when your "technical" arguments are debunked.

I mean, opinions is one thing, bullshit is another. Let's remind the class that you still believe Intel should make better GPUs because people should be able to game on an iGPU and Intel is therefore hurting PC gaming.

Or that Intel iGPUs have visible tear on Windows.

Neither of them are BS. Intel's GPUs -do- tear badly and it's completely unavoidable. And their GPUs -are- too slow to game on for consumer grade hardware. Basically anything intended for use at home for personal use needs to be able to play that era's games. -Every- other CPU vendor in -every- other market accomplishes that. Intel is the -ONLY- CPU vendor that sells products to consumers that can't play the video games of its era.

[starshipeleven]

Well, I am opinionated for sure. And I do stress my opinions for what they are worth. Sometimes even to the breaking point.

EDIT: Alright, that's fair. I can take a hint, I'll try not smack down truth and right when LP fanboys are present.

More like you post bullshit backed by technical-sounding reasons and refuse to back down when your "technical" arguments are debunked.

I mean, opinions is one thing, bullshit is another. Let's remind the class that you still believe Intel should make better GPUs because people should be able to game on an iGPU and Intel is therefore hurting PC gaming.

Or that Intel iGPUs have visible tear on Windows.

[duby229]

Given that "FUD" is "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt", I'd have to wonder how someone pointing out that this forum has some toxicity issues is FUD.

I mean, let's be clear here, it's only some mild exaggeration on his part.

Let me explain, for example, if someone told you that a pitcher of kool-aid was toxic, you would most likely fear that kool-aid and avoid it, even if that claim was completely unfounded. That would be an example of FUD. Just as much as that post was. It's the very definition of FUD.

EDIT: It's just my personal opinion here, but I think the most toxic environments are schools and workplaces and we all deal with them. This forum is extremely mild. Go check out slashdot, it's not even that toxic if compared to real schools or workplaces, but is waaaaay worse than this forum. I actually had to give up on slashdot. It's not even worth trying to get a word in edgewise there.

[Niarbeht]

Funny then how it's -you- helping spread it right now.... This is another example of the true definition of FUD.

EDIT: I say I like a post and then you say I'm toxic for it.... Don't you think calling others toxic is itself actually what's toxic? That's by it's very definition FUD.

Given that "FUD" is "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt", I'd have to wonder how someone pointing out that this forum has some toxicity issues is FUD.

I mean, let's be clear here, it's only some mild exaggeration on his part.