Java EE Is Now Available Via GitHub

[wizard69]

Oracle plays hardball in their industry but their industry isnt programming languages. Dumping steward ship of Java makes perfect sense an reflects what is currently accepted in the industry.

What is that you may ask, it is the idea that the development ofprogramming languages is not a money maker. This really came to the forefront with Apple going open source with LLVM/CLang and the success of third party efforts like Python. Simply put there is no significant market for programming languages that are proprietary.

So what we have here is Oracle realizing the same thing many companies have realized, that is language development makes more sense in an open and standardized way. The move to GitHub just reflects a general trend in industry. Oracle is not being evil here.

Oracle is like the kid who bullied someone else (Sun) into giving him this new sports ball, but doesn't like to let anyone play with it unless they pay him to do so. That, or he keeps making up rules as he goes along and ruins the game. Then, he realizes he's killing everyone's interest in playing with the ball, and begrudgingly backs off as he just lets go of it.

[uid313]

I rather use .NET Core, its much nicer than Java anyways.

Also, Microsoft really gets open source. They just don't put things up on GitHub and leave it like that, they put it on GitHub then build a fostering community around it.

[GI_Jack]

Why is Oracle divesting in java, isn't it their most populat product?

Oracle Database is the core of their business, as stated earlier. Few reasons:

1. Microsoft recently ported .NET to linux and opened the source. This makes it an attractive alternative.
2. Java was originally Freed by Sun before Oracle bought them, so much of the code is already out there.
3. OpenJDK/JRE is already a viable alternative
4. Serious decline in Java usage.

[starshipeleven]

4. Serious decline in Java usage.

[citation needed]

[bug77]

[citation needed]

It says so on teh internetz.

[caligula]

In one breath cursing Google and another opening up Java EE?

fun main() {

if (extortion == possible) {
Java = closed }
else if (Google brings the smackdown) {
Java = open}

// what am I missing

The fact that Sun's Java implementation has been open source since November 13, 2006 ? Oracle acquired Sun in 2009-2010.

[OneBitUser]

The fact that Sun's Java implementation has been open source since November 13, 2006 ? Oracle acquired Sun in 2009-2010.

OpenJDK is nice, but a lot (i think most or even all) enterprise vendors recommend Oracle's Java implementation and only provide support if you run their software together with that.

Or maybe I have just encountered the wrong kind of enterprises and OpenJDK is used everywhere else?

So they expect GitHub surviving themselves paying java.net domain.

Huh... what do you know... Oracle finally shows some foresight... it's almost as if they have consulted with...

an oracle.

[Chewi]

OpenJDK is nice, but a lot (i think most or even all) enterprise vendors recommend Oracle's Java implementation and only provide support if you run their software together with that.

Or maybe I have just encountered the wrong kind of enterprises and OpenJDK is used everywhere else?[/RIGHT]

Hot off the presses (I heard this direct from a Red Hat guy yesterday) is that Oracle will soon open up the closed parts of its JVM and will start offering unrestricted OpenJDK downloads instead of their current must-accept-the-EULA crap. As the maintainer of the JVM packages in Gentoo, this is a big relief.

[bug77]

The fact that Sun's Java implementation has been open source since November 13, 2006 ? Oracle acquired Sun in 2009-2010.

Eh, the problem with Java was never the lack of an open implementation. It's that it cannot be freely implemented, because you need to pass the TCK suite and both Sun and Oracle keep that locked up. OpenJDK, as an exception, get free access to the TCK, but other projects *cough* Apache Harmony *cough* haven't been so lucky.
And indeed OpenJDK is hard to use in production because it lacks the advanced cryptography parts. It's more than enough for development though.

[cyrix]

Hot off the presses (I heard this direct from a Red Hat guy yesterday) is that Oracle will soon open up the closed parts of its JVM and will start offering unrestricted OpenJDK downloads instead of their current must-accept-the-EULA crap. As the maintainer of the JVM packages in Gentoo, this is a big relief.

https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/faster-and-easier-use-and-redistribution-of-java-se

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