Woah, It Looks Like Oracle Will Stand Behind OpenSolaris

[shmerl]

Don't forget, Oracle invests for example in BTRFS and other system stuff in Linux too.

[smitty3268]

How is it FUD? So what new hot cool tech has Linux got, that everyone wants? You tell me. I have never hear about anything new hot tech Linux devs create. They just copy. Actually, the whole Linux is a copy, a bad reimplementation of Unix. But on the other hand, many wants to (and already have, including Linux) copy Solaris tech. So is it a fact, or is it FUD?

FUD. How about TTM/KMS/all the graphics work going on - that's something no other Unix system is advancing, and it's much more of a killer feature for me than another filesystem. Or KVM - as far as I know, it was the first virtualization code to ever directly take advantage of being within a kernel, that's a lot more innovative than a filesystem or a debugging/tracing application, of which there are many even if they aren't quite as polished as the ones Solaris came out with.

If you say that high end Enterprise Unix such as Solaris has a bad reputation as buggy and bloated, then I want to see some links. Show us some links. Go ahead. You know, Solaris code is out there. And if someone found it to be ugly, then we sure would have heard it.

I'm just saying that on normal systems (not servers that ship with Solaris) Solaris tends to have many more driver compatibility issues than Linux does. And that's where the vast majority of kernel bugs are, it's pretty rare to have a crash come from the memory management code or scheduler, or somewhere else. If you're spending $20,000 on a machine that comes with Solaris, then I'm sure the drivers work perfectly on that machine. As far as bloated, freely admit i just made that up. Prove to me that Linux is bloated. I'm pretty sure I can compile a linux kernel to be smaller than the default one that comes with Solaris. Am i wrong? Your quote about Linux being bloated is just ridiculously misleading, for reasons that have gone over again and again. It's pure FUD.

Yes, if someone says things about me that is not true, I must correct them. Dont you do that? If I claim you "said Linux sucks", then you surely want to correct me. So how is my reaction different from yours?

Sigh...

Because normal people don't respond to "You're stupid" with "MENSA says I'm not". They either go "Nuh uh", or "No, you're stupid", or just ignore it as standard internet trolling. It's like the most cliched response i could possibly imagine.

[kraftman]

Oh, zfs copied some feature from XFS:

http://scalability.org/?p=389

ZFS has captured significant interest (in part due to Sun’s massive over-hyping of it). It combines low level disk block managers with volume management with file systems. It claims it is the first to do this, though if you look at the documents (man pages) for xfs, you realize that xfs had hooks for this (without the layering violations) long long ago on IRIX. That said, I don’t remember using this “feature” under Irix at all.

It's slowlaris that copies from others and from Linux.

And some truth about it:

http://scalability.org/?p=388

It's an obsolete.

[kraftman]

I don't care how many amateur devs Linux have.

Linux has FAR MORE specialists then Solaris can ever dream about.

[kraftman]

A source on what? Could you be more specific? I don't know how many times I have told you "what is clear to you, is not clear to me". But I just don't reach you on this. I have explained that many times. But you just don't understand. It is tiresome.

For this: Larry has invested billions in Solaris, far more money than Linux. You tried to explain many things many times, but you've got problems in proving your claims.

I don't care how many amateur devs Linux have. Nothing new is invented in Linux. Linux devs just copy: ZFS, DTrace, etc. And the copies are bad. Ok if the copies where better, but no, all copies suck bad. Not to mention how bloated and buggy Linux is - as Linux kernel devs say. Including Linus T. Solaris dont have that bad reputation that Linux has.

I don't care about amatours. ZFS and Dtrace are the only things unique to Solaris? Oh, they aren't unique. ZFS is a file system and dtrace is some tool. Those are COPIES. In this case, what Linux copied is better. Not to mention how bloated and buggy Solaris is, as some articles says (even quite old). Linus said Linux code quality is getting better and better, so... There's also some fine site:

http://scan.coverity.com/rung1.html

It shows Linux code quality is awesome. Much better then NetBSD. Sadly, there's no Solaris and FreeBSD out there. Maybe Solaris guys are afraid or something? Slowlaris has a very bad reputation - slow, bloated, support very limited number of hardware etc. Even some sun paid morons claim it's slower on x86, 64bit architectures.

Oh yes? Do you have a source on this?

OpenSolaris guys said something like they will give up etc. For me, it's logical thing Solaris will die soon.

I have done the informal MENSA test on their web site. I mailed to MENSA and asked about my result, and they told me I am on the verge of getting accepted to MENSA. (I had 13 out of 18, and some MENSA members had 12 out of 18 on the informal test). Hence, my IQ is / or close to 131. This is far above IQ of 75. MENSA said they have many mathematicians and physicists as members.

And what is MENSA? Isn't this a group of people who are good in resolving MENSA tests? You should give back about 51 points, because you believe in MENSA, so you've got 75.

I was actually referring to other people, those who don't understand what one write. You know, when I write something many times, and he just doesn't understand. Then he seem to be quite dumb, don't you think? But I doubt there exist so dumb people here who doesn't understand, no matter how many times I explain. No one can be so dumb to have an IQ of below 75.

You're the one who don't understand, no matter how many times someone will explain, so I was right saying you should give 51 points back.

[kebabbert]

Come on, that's just FUD. Linux devs create all kinds of new stuff. The fact taht all I ever hear about from Solaris is ZFS and DTrace makes me think Linux probably comes up with a lot more in comparison.

How is it FUD? So what new hot cool tech has Linux got, that everyone wants? You tell me. I have never hear about anything new hot tech Linux devs create. They just copy. Actually, the whole Linux is a copy, a bad reimplementation of Unix. But on the other hand, many wants to (and already have, including Linux) copy Solaris tech. So is it a fact, or is it FUD?

It doesn't? I'm pretty sure it does in some minds, like mine for instance. Anyway, that bloated quote is taken completely out of context, as I'm sure you know. I bet if you asked Linus about Solaris he'd say it's bloated and buggy as well. Probably the same for every modern kernel in widespread use.

If you say that high end Enterprise Unix such as Solaris has a bad reputation as buggy and bloated, then I want to see some links. Show us some links. Go ahead. You know, Solaris code is out there. And if someone found it to be ugly, then we sure would have heard it.

I can show you links where people basically say that Linux sucks and is buggy, and bloated. Links even from Linux kernel devs. If you believe I lie and FUD about this, I can prove it is not lies nor FUD. Do you want to see some links?

Oh, god, you're one of those people who starts talking about MENSA the second someone questions your intelligence. Sigh...

Yes, if someone says things about me that is not true, I must correct them. Dont you do that? If I claim you "said Linux sucks", then you surely want to correct me. So how is my reaction different from yours?

Sigh...

[smitty3268]

I don't care how many amateur devs Linux have. Nothing new is invented in Linux. Linux devs just copy: ZFS, DTrace, etc. And the copies are bad.

Come on, that's just FUD. Linux devs create all kinds of new stuff. The fact taht all I ever hear about from Solaris is ZFS and DTrace makes me think Linux probably comes up with a lot more in comparison.

Not to mention how bloated and buggy Linux is - as Linux kernel devs say. Including Linus T. Solaris dont have that bad reputation that Linux has.

It doesn't? I'm pretty sure it does in some minds, like mine for instance. Anyway, that bloated quote is taken completely out of context, as I'm sure you know. I bet if you asked Linus about Solaris he'd say it's bloated and buggy as well. Probably the same for every modern kernel in widespread use.

I have done the informal MENSA test on their web site.

Oh, god, you're one of those people who starts talking about MENSA the second someone questions your intelligence. Sigh...

[kebabbert]

A source, please.

A source on what? Could you be more specific? I don't know how many times I have told you "what is clear to you, is not clear to me". But I just don't reach you on this. I have explained that many times. But you just don't understand. It is tiresome.

Btw. just compare development power of Linux and Solaris and guess which one has a much more powerfull.

I don't care how many amateur devs Linux have. Nothing new is invented in Linux. Linux devs just copy: ZFS, DTrace, etc. And the copies are bad. Ok if the copies where better, but no, all copies suck bad. Not to mention how bloated and buggy Linux is - as Linux kernel devs say. Including Linus T. Solaris dont have that bad reputation that Linux has.

According to some news even OpenSolaris guys thought it will die.

Oh yes? Do you have a source on this?

You're here!

I have done the informal MENSA test on their web site. I mailed to MENSA and asked about my result, and they told me I am on the verge of getting accepted to MENSA. (I had 13 out of 18, and some MENSA members had 12 out of 18 on the informal test). Hence, my IQ is / or close to 131. This is far above IQ of 75. MENSA said they have many mathematicians and physicists as members.

I was actually referring to other people, those who don't understand what one write. You know, when I write something many times, and he just doesn't understand. Then he seem to be quite dumb, don't you think? But I doubt there exist so dumb people here who doesn't understand, no matter how many times I explain. No one can be so dumb to have an IQ of below 75.

[kraftman]

tbh from a desktop point of view it's not really "Linux versus Windows" but "X11/Gnome/KDE versus Windows" your average enduser isn't gonna want a Linux machine because of the cool features in the scheduling system of the kernel.

Yeah, users don't want drivers, KMS etc.

This "X11/Gnome/KDE" stack is the same on OpenSolaris anyways, heck most of the human interoperability work done on Gnome over the last 10years was done by Sun with the goal of replacing CDE in Solaris.

CDE is a joke and the same about Gnome. This interoperability work makes me laugh.

[kraftman]

Alan has never stopped sending those mails. I am getting tired on some boneheaded people. Again, for the umpteen time: there are no signs that Oracle is killing Solaris or OpenSolaris. Instead, Larry has invested billions in Solaris, far more money than Linux. And he will invest even more money now. We have told you that umpteen times. But we just dont reach some of you guys.

A source, please. Btw. just compare development power of Linux and Solaris and guess which one has a much more powerfull.

"Solaris is dead". "ZFS is dead". etc. etc. It is really difficult to discuss with some people here. *Sigh*

According to some news even OpenSolaris guys thought it will die.

EDIT: I have thought a bit on this. I doubt people are so mentally retarded that they dont understand. The only choice must be that they are FUDars and liars. That is far more probable, than some people having an IQ of 75 or lower. To have such a low IQ is very unlikely. Ergo: They understand what we write, but choose to ignore it because they are FUDers and liars.

You're here!