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Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
Think of real UNIX in a similar way to the doomsday vault for seeds. If a plague wipes out our current operating systems, we still have a pristine solid base to restart from.
Potential plagues (depending on your viewpoint) are:- IBM / Redhat's systemd
- Wayland (though X11 is a POSIX spec, not UNIX)
- Microsoft's wsl
- Rust in the kernel
Hypothetically, if Linux with its systemd and wayland was somehow wiped out of existence, the idea that we would rollback everything to get back to UNIX and live happily ever after is a major fallacy anyway (or wishful thinking, depending how you look at it). The often quoted meme "those who don't understand UNIX philosophy are doomed to badly reimplement it" can be interpreted in a very interesting way, which is IMHO closer to the truth that what its anonymous author ever meant: on one hand there are those who understand UNIX with all its fundamental deficiencies, bad ideas and their negative impact, and they have moved on. On the other hand there are those who don't understand that, and those still insist on following the UNIX model and always want to reimplement it wherever they go.
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Originally posted by jacob View PostMaybe it's because no-one cares about a "real unix system".
Originally posted by jacob View PostPeople care about a system that runs the apps they actually need and supports their hardware.
Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
Potential plagues (depending on your viewpoint) are:- IBM / Redhat's systemd
- Wayland (though X11 is a POSIX spec, not UNIX)
- Microsoft's wsl
- Rust in the kernel
Last edited by dreich; 02 May 2021, 08:44 AM.
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Even in it's day, Solaris was rarely interesting. It rose to popularity largely because of price. not that it wasn't a capable OS or anything, it certainly got a lot of jobs done and even in its zombie state still does... but the future of Solaris is not to be a great, interesting, or even relevant platform... it is to incrementally progress in ways that keep legacy software running that for whatever reason hasn't been replaced by a modern alternative running on a modern operating system.
Just go to oracle.com and click their Products menu, notice how Solaris is not listed but Linux is. What more do you need to know? It's dead, Jim... But enough of an enthusiastic community exists to keep nudging it forward, the same way so many ultra niche operating systems keep nudging forward even from much more humble beginnings. As an ex-Solaris guy, I clearly can say I'm personally far more interested in something like Haiku OS than I am in anything related to Solaris in 2021.
Edit: ZFS being a fairly notable exception to Solaris having a continuing legacy
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Originally posted by pracedru View PostIt's kinda sad that it isn't used more.
Its a real unix system and it works pretty well actually.
Open source OS'es that actually work are few and far on between.
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Originally posted by jacob View Post
What do you base that on?
Originally posted by jacob View PostI would say most people don't give a *** about which OS they use
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Why a specialized nische operating system and not an ☝️ general purpose OS and also open source, GNU/Solaris-like 👌
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Originally posted by dreich View Post
Numbers. Once people learn the standard UNIX practices and workflows of a "teletype emulator and a set of dumb tools that could never properly work together" they want to retain that knowledge and transfer it to whatever system they decide to use. For multitudinous many reasons, those people do not want to throw all this experience away which is one of the reasons why companies like msft created WSL in the first place.
Originally posted by dreich View PostThat is because you are talking about most people and they don't care about computers other than their smartphones. This discussion involves people who care about computers and have developed a preference and proficiency with their tools / software.
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