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  • CommunityMember
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    That seems to be a good enough reason to bump the version up to 12
    There is more to the story than just a number. They can't bump versions without (based on past statements (which they could, of course, modify)) also offering that new release in a new (freely) downloadable version. Since SRUs are only (officially) available to paying customers, this insures that anyone who wants to be running an OS with security and/or functionality support will need to pay (which is, after all, the Oracle mantra).

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  • Alexmitter
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    Originally posted by Space Heater View Post
    resulting in very little ZFS development from Illumos after that
    Sounds good, that just means that time was reallocated from a total waste of time to something probably better.

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by cyrix View Post

    I can't understand your comment. How can "killing Solaris open source community" do any harm to Java? But if you're talking about the "open source community" of Java itself, you should know that it was after being acquired from Sun that it was completely open sourced by Oracle. And Java related tech from Oracle, like Java Mission Control, is now open source too.
    His sentence consists of two parts which he combined into one (which is very common in a lot of languages):

    a) The fact that Oracle killed its (Solaris) open source community
    b) The fact that Oracle does a lot of harm to Java as well

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  • cyrix
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    Originally posted by gojul View Post
    The fact that Oracle killed its open source community (and does a lot of harm to Java as well) is clearly related to this.
    I can't understand your comment. How can "killing Solaris open source community" do any harm to Java? But if you're talking about the "open source community" of Java itself, you should know that it was after being acquired from Sun that it was completely open sourced by Oracle. And Java related tech from Oracle, like Java Mission Control, is now open source too.

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  • torsionbar28
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    Originally posted by Space Heater View Post
    Oracle has clearly put Solaris into maintenance mode after firing most of their Solaris staff, canceling the Solaris 12 release, and now just limping along with 11.4 forever. Not to mention that Oracle has halted SPARC development after M8 in 2017, signaling a lack of investment in the overall Solaris ecosystem. They aren't going after new customers, they are just milking trapped^W existing customers for as long as they can while spending as little as possible.
    They are following the exact same formula HP used after releasing version 11i v3 (B.11.31) back in 2007. 11.31 is still the current version today, and they've slowed the maintenance updates to one per year. HP-UX's long slow death follows the same negative slope as the Intel Itanium processors it depends on. Like Joe Biden's cognitive decline, everyone knows which way its heading.
    Last edited by torsionbar28; 21 September 2020, 11:33 PM.

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  • Space Heater
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    Originally posted by dreich View Post
    Is solaris more dead than illumos or is it the other way around?
    Neither has a bright future.

    Oracle has clearly put Solaris into maintenance mode after firing most of their Solaris staff, canceling the Solaris 12 release, and now just limping along with 11.4 forever. Not to mention that Oracle has halted SPARC development after M8 in 2017, signaling a lack of investment in the overall Solaris ecosystem. They aren't going after new customers, they are just milking trapped^W existing customers for as long as they can while spending as little as possible.

    Illumos has lost significant momentum, OmniTI went out of business in 2017, Delphix switched to Linux in 2018 (resulting in very little ZFS development from Illumos after that), and Joyent closed their public cloud in 2019 while also losing (or laying off) a lot of developers. I doubt illumos has more than 15 regular contributors, and I'd be surprised if that increases with time.

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  • kpedersen
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    Originally posted by pipe13 View Post
    What is their current system compiler? How does Solaris handle compiler updates?
    • You can grab GCC off the ips package repo. At least 4.9
    • You can install GCC from OpenCSW. At least version 5.x
    • You can install SUNPro from IPS (once you have set up the Oracle repo).
    • I also compile up my own Clang (for Emscripten). Version 8 is the last version I tried.
    As for updates, the CSW and IPS system provide their own update mechanism, like most other package managers. The IPS is admittedly a little awkward due to no access to the support repo without a commercial subscription. https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E77782_01...785/gouaw.html
    Last edited by kpedersen; 21 September 2020, 07:54 PM.

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  • pipe13
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    What is their current system compiler? How does Solaris handle compiler updates?

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  • Volta
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    Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
    My prediction... Solaris 11 will outlive Wayland
    The only thing one can be sure Solaris won't ever get Wayland.

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  • kpedersen
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    Well the slides seem to suggest this release of Solaris 11 will be around well past 2030. I might mention that this is longer than any specific commercial Linux distro I have seen.

    RHEL is close: https://access.redhat.com/sites/defa...planning_0.png

    Yes, they wont have the latest "web browser" but that is hardly a problem for the kinds of companies that would purchase a Solaris stack.

    My prediction... Solaris 11 will outlive Wayland
    Last edited by kpedersen; 21 September 2020, 04:45 PM.

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