Oracle Reaffirms Supporting Solaris 11 Through Part Of The Next Decade

[Volta]

Actually, what you said was:

Don't try to label me 'childish' for showing what a nonsense you spewed out.
In case our understanding of a term "proprietary" differs and yours has ton of ideological #ifdef's attached to it, be particular.

You labelled such yourself already.

It gives more freedom to end users? It's putting you under quite a lot of restrictions on what you can and what you can't do. How's that suddenly a "freedom"?? How can you treat legal enforcement as a freedom.. Mindboggling.

It puts restrictions on shit companies like Apple for whom BSD is a whore. Do you live in a free country? Are you obliged to obey the law? Or perhaps there are some 'restrictions' like do not kill other people and don't steal?

Which way then? You can't have both. Really.

MS, Apple are still alive for now. In the future Linux will compete with itself.

Part of the attraction Linux had for beginners, was it's endless variety of distros. Distrohopping was fun, interesting and educational. That's going away, it also has the effect of reducing amount of fresh blood. After having tried a dozen distros, it gets boring. More the same in different sauce.

You mentioned something about pornography sites before.

For more advanced users.. One could usually find fitting distro for particular use case, be it as oddball as ever. Or actually modify "close-enough" distro to fit their needs. That's slowly going away too. Systemd works (from "more or less okay" to "well") only for use cases envisioned by their devs - getting it to work outside that is an absolute copper-plated bitch.

So, in your opinion desktop and server distributions can't use the same init, graphic and sound systems or what?

[Volta]

And I was telling you "slowlaris" originally came from crappy pre-ZFS filesystem Sun used. Not from process management or thread handling.

And told you subtly to "stuff your nonsense where sun doesnt shine" because Linux's own process-management is far from faultless, in fact still inferior to Solaris's in quite a few ways.

I'm not really sure if you even read what you're saying? Solaris was slow and it has nothing to do with its pre-ZFS file system. It's related to thread creation or process handling. What's 'inferior' in Linux' process management in comparison to Solaris?

[aht0]

I was talking about kernel process or thread creation. It has nothing to do with systemd or init systems.

And I was telling you "slowlaris" originally came from crappy pre-ZFS filesystem Sun used. Not from process management or thread handling.

And told you subtly to "stuff your nonsense where sun doesnt shine" because Linux's own process-management is far from faultless, in fact still inferior to Solaris's in quite a few ways.

[aht0]

Sorry, but such level of discussion is beyond being even childish. Like I said before: Linux allows developers to support hardware even in non Linux way. It's better to have it, don't you think?

Actually, what you said was:

BSD's are competitors which support proprietary crap..

Don't try to label me 'childish' for showing what a nonsense you spewed out.
In case our understanding of a term "proprietary" differs and yours has ton of ideological #ifdef's attached to it, be particular.

GPL is the best license out there (but not perfect, GPL v3 is closer to perfection) and it gives more freedom to end users than BSD would ever did. BSD is a w hore license. It's end user that matters not some anti-user company.

It gives more freedom to end users? It's putting you under quite a lot of restrictions on what you can and what you can't do. How's that suddenly a "freedom"?? How can you treat legal enforcement as a freedom.. Mindboggling.

No, I love Linux. It doesn't compete with itself. However, I agree competition is good and I don't want some competitors to die too early.

BSD's are competitors which support proprietary crap and they have to die.

Which way then? You can't have both. Really.

Unifying various distribution is very good thing. It should happen long ago.

Part of the attraction Linux had for beginners, was it's endless variety of distros. Distrohopping was fun, interesting and educational. That's going away, it also has the effect of reducing amount of fresh blood. After having tried a dozen distros, it gets boring. More the same in different sauce.
Users seem to become ever-stupider too: 'distro A is better than distro B because it has particular GUI knob for a function C that does not work in distro A". How common is such a discussion? While user from 20y a go would simply figure out, how to make the effin' knob work or bypass it by writing a piece of script or code..

For more advanced users.. One could usually find fitting distro for particular use case, be it as oddball as ever. Or actually modify "close-enough" distro to fit their needs. That's slowly going away too. Systemd works (from "more or less okay" to "well") only for use cases envisioned by their devs - getting it to work outside that is an absolute copper-plated bitch.
It's also pretty much unusable for non-glibc distros, for which working around systemd crap becomes increasingly harder.

[Volta]

It's process handling is, and also was back then for that matter, in much better shape than either Linux's or any of the BSD's. Ask oiaohm about it, or browse the systemd threads, he wrote quite a bit about it at some point. Systemd leaving systems hanging for lenghty periods during shutdowns is one expression of Linux's process-handling problems.

I was talking about kernel process or thread creation. It has nothing to do with systemd or init systems.

[aht0]

Solaris supported x86 since 1993, so I don't know what you're trying to show. If I remember correctly its process creation was one of the slowest thus the name slowlaris.

Actually, it got that derogatory term when it did not have ZFS yet, because it's UFS implementation was pretty sluggish. ZFS resolved filesystem performance problems but bigots still love to use it when they simply need to bash.
It's process handling is, and also was back then for that matter, in much better shape than either Linux's or any of the BSD's. Ask oiaohm about it, or browse the systemd threads, he wrote quite a bit about it at some point. Systemd leaving systems hanging for lenghty periods during shutdowns is one expression of Linux's process-handling problems.

[tildearrow]

Solaris was fantastic, till Oracle got their mits on it.

Why did Oracle have to exist after all? They're useless.

[Volta]

Wonder what the hell all those "mysterious binary blobs" in linux kernel are? Somebody just copied those over for fun? That's how it supports proprietary software. That's why there's Linux-libre - to get rid of binaries and have kernel without proprietary crap.

Sorry, but such level of discussion is beyond being even childish. Like I said before: Linux allows developers to support hardware even in non Linux way. It's better to have it, don't you think?

Let's also mention kernel API's, which may limit their usage to GPL software due patents.

meh, me thinks you have meaning of 'proprietary' all confused up. GPL itself means sort of 'proprietary' because it's copyleft license. Additionally it's viral license, forcing you to license derivative code to GPL as well. It has far less freedom than BSD/MIT-type licenses offer. Funny that you are trying to talk white into black and black into white.

GPL is the best license out there (but not perfect, GPL v3 is closer to perfection) and it gives more freedom to end users than BSD would ever did. BSD is a w hore license. It's end user that matters not some anti-user company.

So you also hate Linux? Since lack of competition always would result in stagnation.

No, I love Linux. It doesn't compete with itself. However, I agree competition is good and I don't want some competitors to die too early.

And I predicted systemd would make linux look uniform across distros and actually weaken it. It also has happened - from gazillion different distros, it has become to handful of major ones and their clones. Decade further and only distinguishing characteristic will be graphical themes. Welcome to Winux.

Unifying various distribution is very good thing. It should happen long ago.

I suspect it actually means 'changing Pornhub bookmarks time to time' for you.

I know better sites, but I don't need them currently.

[aht0]

Linux kernel doesn't support proprietary software. It allows it to work. BSD code can be included without even asking. Linux distributions have more proprietary software, because they're hundreds times more popular than BSD, so someone brought such software to Linux. Do you want Linux to punish them?

Wonder what the hell all those "mysterious binary blobs" in linux kernel are? Somebody just copied those over for fun? That's how it supports proprietary software. That's why there's Linux-libre - to get rid of binaries and have kernel without proprietary crap.

Let's also mention kernel API's, which may limit their usage to GPL software due patents.

meh, me thinks you have meaning of 'proprietary' all confused up. GPL itself means sort of 'proprietary' because it's copyleft license. Additionally it's viral license, forcing you to license derivative code to GPL as well. It has far less freedom than BSD/MIT-type licenses offer. Funny that you are trying to talk white into black and black into white.

You didn't have to. It's just my wish for BSD to die. I wanted the same to happen to Solaris and Sun and.. it happened! I also predicted this years before. I'm using Windows even longer than Linux. Since nearly thirty years. I've also used FreeBSD and OS X. As you can see I'm better oracle than you. I wish Windows and OS X the same of course.

So you also hate Linux? Since lack of competition always would result in stagnation.

And I predicted systemd would make linux look uniform across distros and actually weaken it. It also has happened - from gazillion different distros, it has become to handful of major ones and their clones. Decade further and only distinguishing characteristic will be graphical themes. Welcome to Winux.

I have solution for this: I don't marry and I just change my girlfriend from time to time.

I suspect it actually means 'changing Pornhub bookmarks time to time' for you.

[Volta]

Funny claim, considering that Linux contains far more proprietary "crap" and some BSD's (like Open) go to considerable lengths to avoid binary blobs/proprietary..
You might want to check what operating systems Widewine DRM supports and does not support for example. Or which operating system has patented stuff in it's kernel, limiting certain functionality to GPL-licensed code.

Linux kernel doesn't support proprietary software. It allows it to work. BSD code can be included without even asking. Linux distributions have more proprietary software, because they're hundreds times more popular than BSD, so someone brought such software to Linux. Do you want Linux to punish them?

I did not say a single word about "my emotions". On the other hand, "deserves to die" is VERY UNemotional, not. It's also perfect example of hatred rising from sheer ignorance and preconceptions. Since you make it obvious through your statements, that you have no idea of nor have never used more than perhaps superficially, any of the non-Linux operating systems, barring Windows.

You didn't have to. It's just my wish for BSD to die. I wanted the same to happen to Solaris and Sun and.. it happened! I also predicted this years before. I'm using Windows even longer than Linux. Since nearly thirty years. I've also used FreeBSD and OS X. As you can see I'm better oracle than you. I wish Windows and OS X the same of course.

Unless you are a wife-beater, single or Islamic, it's more-or-less common reality for average male.

I have solution for this: I don't marry and I just change my girlfriend from time to time.