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  • #51
    Originally posted by anarki2 View Post
    "Good community and culture" is far from being sufficient to maintain good quality builds for many platforms
    is that why windows does not have any quality builds for many platforms?

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    • #52
      Originally posted by pigpen View Post
      In my opinion, the big problem with Linux on ARM is the most of the graphics drivers are closed source (or reverse engineered). The exception is the the "VC4" (Open GLES 2.1 ) on the Raspberry Pi 2 / 3. There is also work on the VC5 (OpenGL & Vulkan).
      while freedreno is reverse engineered, it is probably best arm opengl driver atm(vc4 has much less features because its hardware has much less features)

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      • #53
        Originally posted by chithanh View Post
        When it comes to 2D/Modesetting
        2d is so last millenium

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        • #54
          Originally posted by AndyChow View Post
          Haven't we been platform agnostic for a long time? Be careful what you wish for. Upper management might decide to sponsor Java all over again. But seriously, the explosion of options are just a return to the past. Risc, Mips, Cisc, Vax, Power, Sparc, Itanium. There has historically been plenty of architecture options.
          You forgot the finest of them all, the DEC Alpha! Still have one in my basement, running Gentoo.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by DrYak View Post
            Because community devs doing the reverse engineering don't have magic wands and there's only so much that they can do without having access to actual documentation but having to rely instead on guessing using dumps ? (In general, small problem will take much longer to get ironed out)
            well, this is good for predicting some future driver, but we already have driver, so you could just compare existing drivers instead of comparing some theories. and existing reverse engineered freedreno is best arm opengl driver atm
            Originally posted by DrYak View Post
            Because there are no longterm devs on a payroll specially dedicated to this driver, but instead only community devs doing bits of improvement here and there when they have some spare time left from their normal food-paying day jobs ?
            but freedreno does have longterm dev on payroll. on redhat's payroll, but still
            Originally posted by DrYak View Post
            Just look at nouveau
            why do you look at nouveau instead of looking at freedreno?

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            • #56
              Originally posted by pal666 View Post
              it can be made, but it is not made yet. current generic installer would work on (regularly growing)subset of all arm devices
              By "generic installer", do you guys refer to the pre-boot system, e.g. UEFI, BIOS, coreboot?

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              • #57
                Originally posted by DrYak View Post

                So the guys who eventually added a hidden ARM core to their Ryzen CPUs to run some signed blob frimware with ring -3 access to everything, in order not to be left out of the Intel ME/AMT shitfest, are teaming with the guys who make ARM chipsets where the baseband modem acts as the chipset's north-bridge while running blobs that legally have to be written only by special license-holder ?
                So you're piling closed blobs upon closed blobs ? What could possibly go wrong...
                To be fair, I said MORE open source friendly, not actually open source friendly. We just started from a pretty low point with ARM chip manufacturers. Pretty much anything else is better. Plus, it isn't hidden if people know about it and it is documented in AMD whitepapers.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Hadrian View Post

                  We here are using Ubuntu Linux for ARM (Raspberry Pi3) daily as desktop machines since several years, and it's basically identical to our Ubuntu for x86 machines, i.e. no apps missing,
                  Its hard to believe, because every time i used them, response time for work was PITA, maybe Android would be run fast enough on them, not is not good for basic desktop work.

                  Do you have any calculations, how much time users just burn on waiting on some compute? Because usually make sense for employer to spend money at stronger HW, because people with it can do more work with same effort.. Otherwise we would have everywhere just cheap Pentiums or old AMD CPUs.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by azdaha View Post
                    By "generic installer", do you guys refer to the pre-boot system, e.g. UEFI, BIOS, coreboot?
                    no, that's not linux

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by ruthan View Post
                      Do you have any calculations, how much time users just burn on waiting on some compute? Because usually make sense for employer to spend money at stronger HW, because people with it can do more work with same effort.. Otherwise we would have everywhere just cheap Pentiums or old AMD CPUs.
                      To clarify, with "we here" I was meaning my family, not an office with employees. My wife and kids do their Thunderbird, Vivaldi and Libreoffice tasks perfectly fine with their Raspberry Pi3 running Xubuntu 16 LTS, since these applications on the slim XFCE desktop don't need number-crunching power but run smooth enough on the four 1,2 GHz ARM8 cores. Albeit still in 32 bit only so far – as soon as there's a 64 bit Raspbian/Ubuntu, we will gain more speed from 64 bit.

                      Also for my evening leisure tasks a Pi3 is fine, but indeed for IT day work I use a faster machine than a Pi, for the reasons you mentioned.

                      So I'm very interested in these new powerful and current-saving ARM machines mentioned in Michael's article. I would any day replace my bloated x86 desktop machine with an ARM powered Linux one.

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