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  • #31
    I am not so shure about the formfactor, for Mobile I would want a build in keyboard especialy for real linuxes not some mobile garbage with binary blobs.

    Also I would not want the mobile chip and cut it away from the cost, at least in germany mobile internet sucks most of the time anyway, and you have nearly everywhere wlan this days. even in our trains we have free wlan. I can then phone over sip...

    Other than that, you probably would need to have the convergence thing going, then you could save some money in desktop computers or laptop which would then legitimate for me such high prices.

    But I doubt it will be very fast, so I would prefer cheap desktop computers over that also 32gb is not much for a desktop. As emaple I use everywhere nixos, 32gb would be barely enough to use nixos but not to save much additional data.

    So many question marks for me, but if that leeds to a new os or hardware plattform for other form factors. I would really like that.

    Here were some stupid comments imho as example "even canonical did not get it done", the word even makes in that sentence no sence. It suggest that cannonical is a example of successful project, after their success to become the dominant deskop (which they work hard to reverse it), most projects they startet failed.

    U name it, upstart, mir, unity, ubuntu one, Launchpad, Bazaar, Couchdb:
    For the last three years we have worked with the company behind CouchDB to make it scale in the particular ways we need it to scale in our server environment. Our situation is rather unique, and we were unable to resolve some of the issues we came across. We were thus unable to make CouchDB scale up to the millions of users and databases we have in our datacentres, and furthermore we were unable to make it scale down to be a reasonable load on small client machines.
    and thats only the things I can think of, I am shure I missed other stuff... So if canonical failes with something its the normal, if they succeed its the exception.

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    • #32
      I don't think a lot of people understand how fast companies go through money on projects like these. In the US for example each employee costs you about 2X his wages. One could easily spend between $150,000 and $200,000 per year, per software developer. So a team of six blows this budget. This does not even get into the other skills, resources and materials required to just do the hardware / software.

      So yeah $30 million isn't unrealistic and probably a bit on the low side. Now maybe this company has other resources but im already doubting that a viable product will be released that will actually lead to mass production. This doesn't even get into the question of demand. You have to sell product to stay in business and just who would be buying this hardware? It is very unlikely that they would find enough customers to even stay in business. In the end uou need to be able to market the product to enough people to cover production and R&D costs.



      Originally posted by coder111 View Post
      I wouldn't be surprised if Canonical/Mozilla spent more either. ~30M & 4 years is the minimum amount of resources I'd even consider taking on such a project and producing a usable prototype.

      Read some more about Mer and libhybris. Hybris effectively allows you to use existing Android drivers on existing Android devices to run normal Linux. It's pretty damn smart, and a decent platform to built on unless you have a vendor who's 100% on-board with open Linux drivers for everything. It runs on a number of devices as well, and quite well.

      Regarding Replicant- it's still Android. All of UI is Android, and app engine is also Android. I'd rather have normal Linux ecosystem with Wayland and QT (or GTK) apps. Pretty close to what Sailfish does, but their UI is still closed-source. And not too many native apps, and it could use more features & polish. Otherwise you'd rather run Replicant- no reason to develop own OS...


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      • #33
        Originally posted by coder111 View Post
        Read some more about Mer and libhybris. Hybris effectively allows you to use existing Android drivers on existing Android devices to run normal Linux.
        why would anyone buy this instead of android phone? for different ui? you can make different ui on android.
        i would buy phone with real fedora linux with real linux drivers. though these guys developed "libre" laptop with nvidia gpu, so i wouldn't trust their hardware choice

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        • #34
          Originally posted by sandy8925 View Post
          Using Intel CPU/GPU seems to be the most feasible route.
          lol, no. intel smartphones are dead

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          • #35
            Originally posted by WolfpackN64 View Post

            It's not because you don't want to buy local that other projects are "nationalistic". That's just absurd.
            What is absurd is that gnome believers believe that gnome technology is the best. Gnome desktop is newer ready and there are very few wayland apps. Using xwayland is not purism. Purists should use X only.

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            • #36
              How is this a crowdfunding campaign?

              They basically have a page that looks like a kickstarter page, in their online shop.

              This is not crowdfunding, this is pre-ordering.

              Also notice that there is no threshold. You always lose your money.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by libv View Post
                How is this a crowdfunding campaign?

                They basically have a page that looks like a kickstarter page, in their online shop.

                This is not crowdfunding, this is pre-ordering.

                Also notice that there is no threshold. You always lose your money.
                The line between between crowdfunding and pre-ordering has always been very slim.

                Also the threshold thing is not relevant, you can crowdfund without that too.

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                • #38
                  Sorry, I think you misunderstand. Libhybris is not about running Android apps. Libhybris is about running Android DRIVERS and being able to run real Linux on Android devices easily with next to no vendor support.

                  I'm still using my outdated Jolla. My wife is on Android. We have a couple of Android tablets as well.

                  Believe me, having a real Linux ecosystem underneath makes a LOT of difference for me. Being able to freely use native rsync, ssh, systemd, Midnight Commander, rpm (although I'd prefer dpkg) only serves to remind me how much I miss it when I have to use Android.

                  On android, lots of those features I take for granted on a real Linux system I have to install via crappy half baked apps with ads. And they don't work well or work with various weird workarounds half the time.

                  You could argue that on a phone this is irrelevant. But smartphones are not just phones, they are mobile computers. Sometimes even mobile computers first, phones second, in which case platform matters greatly for developers and power users.

                  BTW, Jolla terminal app ROCKS. I haven't seen anything as nice on Android... Sorry, I'm getting off the point here. Did you mention you want a phone with a real Fedora? Which aspects of Fedora do you need? Because if you need RPM and ability to install stuff, you might want to try Mer/SailfishOS. The only thing it lacks is real X- the UI is based on Wayland/QT. You could try getting xwayland running, but I haven't played around with that.

                  Originally posted by pal666 View Post
                  why would anyone buy this instead of android phone? for different ui? you can make different ui on android.
                  i would buy phone with real fedora linux with real linux drivers. though these guys developed "libre" laptop with nvidia gpu, so i wouldn't trust their hardware choice

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                  • #39
                    I do hope it takes off!
                    But they lost me at Gnome...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by pal666 View Post
                      why would anyone buy this instead of android phone? for different ui? you can make different ui on android.
                      i would buy phone with real fedora linux with real linux drivers. though these guys developed "libre" laptop with nvidia gpu, so i wouldn't trust their hardware choice

                      For privacy and encryption.
                      It will not be 100% guaranteed. But it'll be way more than anything we have today. (if it takes off)
                      It'll also serve as a kickstart to this kind of market. And maybe others will join. Or so i hope...

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