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  • johnc
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    I'm not sure that selling 50k phones should be put in the category of "hella popular".

    BlackBerry probably sold that many Z10 phones in its first day, and the Z10 is decidedly not "hella popular".

    This kinda comes off as the usual Linux geek delusions of grandeur that seem so common.

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  • TheBlackCat
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    Originally posted by chrisb View Post
    You asserted that it failed because some proportion of users did not support it because of Mir. That position implies that it would have succeeded if it used Wayland.
    No, I think the assertion was that it failed because it is by Canonical, and Canonical has managed to piss off its target audience in several ways, Mir being but one. So that implies that it would have succeeded if Canonical had not been behind it. The launch numbers of Jolla should give us some clue in this regard. As it stands I can't find a source saying how many pre-orders it has had.

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  • mike4
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    Probably joining internet.org could help a little?

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  • erendorn
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    Originally posted by chrisb View Post
    There is no "in between" when it comes to the campaign. It either succeeds or fails. Yes or no. You asserted that it failed because some proportion of users did not support it because of Mir. That position implies that it would have succeeded if it used Wayland. On the other hand, if that is not your position, then you must conclude that the campaign would have failed even if they used Wayland, and hence the "negative contribution" of Mir to the campaign was negligible, as the campaign would have failed anyway due to other reasons.

    Basically I take issue with the assumptions that 50000 Linux users would preorder a phone that is twice the price of a Nexus 4, but two thirds decided not to because of Mir.
    "Among those Linux enthusiast, the proportion who base their choice of phone on the Mir debacle is not negligible anymore." - there is no evidence that this statement is true. It is much more likely that people were put off by the high price and unknown hardware and unknown future delivery date. But if you honestly do not believe that, then I encourage you to start your own campaign for a Manjaro/Mint phone. Nobody is forcing you to support Ubuntu.
    I asserted that it would have done better if not for the Mir debacle. No less, no more.
    It would also have done better with lower price, better spec, or more marketing, but that is in no way incompatible with my point.
    And obviously there are in betweens even for a campaign, in terms of positive media coverage and demonstration of consumer interest, and these two points are quite correlated to the pledged amount. Given that Canonical can fund itself, I'd say that these aspects are actually much more important than actually getting the funds.

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  • blackout23
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    Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
    not really it got the job done it was a really Huge Ubuntu/Canonical AD and it was on most any site you go to also it was all over TV as well it was just a bad Project no one really wants a Ubuntu Phone and for 700$ LOL look at the FireFox Phone's and Jolla Phone's they can't even keep them in Stock also they don't even really have to put out a lot of AD's like Canonical Did for what the Last 5 years? for the Ubuntu Phone
    I'm talking about the whole price up and downs.

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  • LinuxGamer
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    Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
    I'd be surpised if Canonical actually consulted some crowdfunding experts. The campaign was extremely mismanaged.
    not really it got the job done it was a really Huge Ubuntu/Canonical AD and it was on most any site you go to also it was all over TV as well it was just a bad Project no one really wants a Ubuntu Phone and for 700$ LOL look at the FireFox Phone's and Jolla Phone's they can't even keep them in Stock also they don't even really have to put out a lot of AD's like Canonical Did for what the Last 5 years? for the Ubuntu Phone

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  • blackout23
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    Originally posted by dee. View Post
    Preorders sold out, probably will sell a lot more once they release. Jolla is doing it right - they got their own OS running on their own hardware, they have the carriers, partners, investors etc. - everything Canonical still haven't been able to manage. Jolla is showing that it's not because it's too hard or impossible to bring a new Linux-based phone on the market, it can be done if you actually know what you're doing, and there's still plenty of growth potential left in the smartphone market, meaning a well-timed new brand can easily carve a niche in it. Of course, Jolla has the advantage of all the expertise of the people driven away from Nokia by the M$ coup...

    Seriously, I feel bad for Canonical - I'd love to have seen them succeed with their phone. But they made the entirely wrong moves, tried to imitate the big players (Android, Apple) too much, instead of taking advantage of their strengths. Instead of seeing the community as a strength, they went to the opposite direction, and shut away the community, trying to build their own little walled garden - while Jolla actually sees the community as an asset and knows how to utilize it.
    I'd be surpised if Canonical actually consulted some crowdfunding experts. The campaign was extremely mismanaged.

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  • LinuxGamer
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    Originally posted by dee. View Post
    Preorders sold out, probably will sell a lot more once they release. Jolla is doing it right - they got their own OS running on their own hardware, they have the carriers, partners, investors etc. - everything Canonical still haven't been able to manage. Jolla is showing that it's not because it's too hard or impossible to bring a new Linux-based phone on the market, it can be done if you actually know what you're doing, and there's still plenty of growth potential left in the smartphone market, meaning a well-timed new brand can easily carve a niche in it. Of course, Jolla has the advantage of all the expertise of the people driven away from Nokia by the M$ coup...

    Seriously, I feel bad for Canonical - I'd love to have seen them succeed with their phone. But they made the entirely wrong moves, tried to imitate the big players (Android, Apple) too much, instead of taking advantage of their strengths. Instead of seeing the community as a strength, they went to the opposite direction, and shut away the community, trying to build their own little walled garden - while Jolla actually sees the community as an asset and knows how to utilize it.
    i was Reading on a Site and it said the Vendor who makes the Jolla Phone has around a 50k Min just to make phone's so they maybe have sold 50k just from there site No IndieGOGO BS and thats 50k Jolla Phones just on the pre orders maybe we will see a Sailfish OS for Desktops some day

    not the same site but the one i was on is not English Friendly http://tech2.in.com/news/smartphones...ibility/911768
    Last edited by LinuxGamer; 21 August 2013, 10:26 AM.

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  • dee.
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    Originally posted by johnc View Post
    hella popular, huh? How many have they sold...?
    Preorders sold out, probably will sell a lot more once they release. Jolla is doing it right - they got their own OS running on their own hardware, they have the carriers, partners, investors etc. - everything Canonical still haven't been able to manage. Jolla is showing that it's not because it's too hard or impossible to bring a new Linux-based phone on the market, it can be done if you actually know what you're doing, and there's still plenty of growth potential left in the smartphone market, meaning a well-timed new brand can easily carve a niche in it. Of course, Jolla has the advantage of all the expertise of the people driven away from Nokia by the M$ coup...

    Seriously, I feel bad for Canonical - I'd love to have seen them succeed with their phone. But they made the entirely wrong moves, tried to imitate the big players (Android, Apple) too much, instead of taking advantage of their strengths. Instead of seeing the community as a strength, they went to the opposite direction, and shut away the community, trying to build their own little walled garden - while Jolla actually sees the community as an asset and knows how to utilize it.

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  • chrisb
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    Originally posted by erendorn View Post
    Ah yes. Either it had zero impact, or it's the only thing that counted.
    In between is for the weak.

    What don't you get in "a portion of users", or "not negligible"?
    There is no "in between" when it comes to the campaign. It either succeeds or fails. Yes or no. You asserted that it failed because some proportion of users did not support it because of Mir. That position implies that it would have succeeded if it used Wayland. On the other hand, if that is not your position, then you must conclude that the campaign would have failed even if they used Wayland, and hence the "negative contribution" of Mir to the campaign was negligible, as the campaign would have failed anyway due to other reasons.

    Basically I take issue with the assumptions that 50000 Linux users would preorder a phone that is twice the price of a Nexus 4, but two thirds decided not to because of Mir.
    "Among those Linux enthusiast, the proportion who base their choice of phone on the Mir debacle is not negligible anymore." - there is no evidence that this statement is true. It is much more likely that people were put off by the high price and unknown hardware and unknown future delivery date. But if you honestly do not believe that, then I encourage you to start your own campaign for a Manjaro/Mint phone. Nobody is forcing you to support Ubuntu.

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