Sailfish SDK Update Switches From X11 To Wayland

[curaga]

I don't know what the hell this phone can do (that a dozen other phones don't do) that is more important to you than comfort. Maybe you could explain it to me with your superb problem solving skills.

He's implying you should buy a phone too big to fit in a pocket, and then add a third-party casing around it with round corners making it even bigger

[erendorn]

The toolkit level is absolutely the wrong place for network support. Why would you even think that? What if you want/need to use some ancient Motif app or something? And why should Qt, GTK, etc all have to reinvent the wheel? Maybe not having network transparency built into Wayland is a good idea, maybe not, but either way, the toolkit is the wrong place for remote support!

Well, you have remote display and remote rendering.
If you are happy with remote display, meaning that the already rendered main framebuffer or apps buffers are compressed (as "video") and sent to be displayed remotely, then that can easily be done at the compositor level (this is the current weston network support).
If you need remote rendering (because you want to send text instead of rendered text through the network), toolkit level is the only acceptable place for this kind of support, because the toolkit is the one that performs the rendering.
X does remote rendering by actually being a super toolkit, and forcing everything to render through it. This obviously is a bad idea, so they've implemented ways to bypass this aspect of X, that in turn break network rendering of X. There's no free lunch.

If you want to use some ancient motif app, use remote display. If you want better performance at the cost of more complicated software, use a toolkit that implements some network rendering.

[curaga]

Uhh, actually NK declared they were in a state of war with SK just a few months ago. And they've done things like shelling across the border, and sinking South Korean Navy ships, so i find your position curious.

The announcement was so far empty posturing in response to trade sanctions; for the ships, we don't know if it actually happened or if SK merely said it did. NK confirmation of the ships should be considered worthless, as they would claim anything if it made them look big, like causing some big earthquake.

[jalyst]

It's perfectly fine to have a set of hard requirements for about anything.
It only becomes silly if there is no option that fulfill all hard requirements.

Not really if you're talking about just 1x hard requirement & nothing else, esp. when it's something as subjective & "learned" as comfort.
If it was something far more central to the utility/flexibility of the device, maybe, but even then it's still (somewhat) silly.
There's way more than 1x consideration when choosing a device, even if you already own a large suite of form-factors & sw_env/platforms.
It's possible to have 1x consideration that's a "deal breaker", but discomfort from "spiky corners" is way down the bottom of that list.
There'd be something else that's a "deal breaker" long before you get to it, else you're just not doing it right or something is colouring your perception.

[jalyst]

It's funny how you make pathetic excuses for any single point I make, even for the ten fold heroin production increase in Afghanistan - if it happened during the Soviet invasion it would be interpreted "because the Soviets are tyrants and drug smugglers" but since it happens during USA's invasion it's OK because heroin production creates jobs, it's also funny how if anyone uses any force the USA is the 1st country to accuse of "excessive brutality" but when the USA bombs the shit out of Japan with atom bombs or parches people with napalm it's "to save lives", I keep rereading your answer and wow, how pathetically defensive and hypocrite you are just like the USA foreign policy (except the defensive part), even glossing over the heroin and AL-quaeda like it's no big deal.
Now to address the geopolitics issue - when I say something about the USA or China I don't mean the people since the masses are never well informed and critically thinking so most of them follow whatever they're indoctrinated with, if they're told cavemen from Afghanistan are a threat to the USA they're like "alright, whatever it takes". The biggest mass killer in the world is the USA for now ("USA" not to be confused with the USA people, 90% of them don't even know where is Afghanistan, again, as stupid as the masses in other countries), when/if some other country becomes the strongest one - it will start being the biggest bully and biggest hypocrite and most of its people won't know that either, that's the law of geopolitics - the government forming the opinion and social consent is a critical task to be able wage such a foreign policy, which means when/if China becomes No1 in the world its masses will be indoctrinated with excuses of why it's ok to invade other countries etc.

This getting beyond a joke, reported your ass, looking forward to this crud being removed (inc. this post & any sparing partners posts).
That way the "dick waving" about who has the best political mind (in a thread that's about smartphone tech) can stop.

There'd be something else that's a "deal breaker" long before you get to it

Or more likely, a combination of things...

[smitty3268]

It's funny how you make pathetic excuses for any single point I make

Ha, thanks, that's exactly the type of response i figured i'd get from you.

It's funny, because i wasn't giving excuses at all, but rather trying to have a rational discussion about some of the surrounding circumstances and providing context.

For example, i never said it was good that the Afghan drug trade has exploded. I just tried to explain why it happened, something you obviously aren't interested in when you can just blame your personal bogeyman.

I find it sad that most people in the world subscribe to George Bush's old, "you're either with us or against us" mentality. Virtually no one in the world is actually pure "good" or "evil". Everyone just tries to do what they think is in their best interests, and is the hero of their own story.

As such, i find it much more useful to try and discover why certain things are happening, and what both sides hope to gain from it, whenever discussing matters like these, rather than just devolving into demagoguery.

[Ramiliez]

The announcement was so far empty posturing in response to trade sanctions; for the ships, we don't know if it actually happened or if SK merely said it did. NK confirmation of the ships should be considered worthless, as they would claim anything if it made them look big, like causing some big earthquake.

This announcement damaged them indirectly you can bet that at least SK stock market was negatively hit by this "empty" posturing. So you say sinking of ROKS Cheonan was false flag operation by SK?

[smitty3268]

The announcement was so far empty posturing in response to trade sanctions; for the ships, we don't know if it actually happened or if SK merely said it did. NK confirmation of the ships should be considered worthless, as they would claim anything if it made them look big, like causing some big earthquake.

NK actually denied sinking the ship, though there's been a long history (over decades) of both sides being quite aggressive with their navy and taking casualties.

I guess the shelling of Yeonpyeong Island in 2010 must have been imagined. (NK did claim credit for that)

It sounds like your point is that nothing NK says or does actually matters. Ok... We differ on that point.

[smitty3268]

Are you sure they vote for it?
....
I agree, however, that democracy has nothing to do with the way the nation behaves, since it's just the way they decide how to behave, not the decision itself.

Technically the US and all other "democratic" governments are actually republics - where people elect representatives for their vote. Democracy is just a short hand to describe that system, just like "communism" doesn't truly describe the governments in the Soviet Union or China, but is a useful shorthand approximation.

[mark45]

Ha, thanks, that's exactly the type of response i figured i'd get from you.

It's funny, because i wasn't giving excuses at all, but rather trying to have a rational discussion about some of the surrounding circumstances and providing context.

For example, i never said it was good that the Afghan drug trade has exploded. I just tried to explain why it happened, something you obviously aren't interested in when you can just blame your personal bogeyman.

I find it sad that most people in the world subscribe to George Bush's old, "you're either with us or against us" mentality. Virtually no one in the world is actually pure "good" or "evil". Everyone just tries to do what they think is in their best interests, and is the hero of their own story.

As such, i find it much more useful to try and discover why certain things are happening, and what both sides hope to gain from it, whenever discussing matters like these, rather than just devolving into demagoguery.

I'm telling you just how hopelessly hypocritical and defensive you are. Imagine China invaded Mexico, the heroin production skyrocketed and flooded the USA, and China refused to do anything serious about it because it "provides jobs to pour Mexicans" - isn't that the most hypocritical argument one can master? So don't tell me about how China has problems with human rights, because the USA's foreign policy is much worse, as I said - not because the USA people are bad (they're no better or worse than say Polish or other nations), but because it's the strongest country in the world. In the past it was the British Empire who created most chaos in the world, because it was the strongest country. Same thing will happen to China and the Chinese people because the masses never like dealing with info (atrocities) unless it's presented right in front of them, like the leaks of whistle-blowers or when it collapses and a new govt comes in, like in the case of Soviet Russia, Japan, Nazi Germany etc, until then the masses try to consider anything they don't like as "demagogy" and "conspiracy theories".