Many x86 Laptop Improvements In Linux 6.10 Plus Acer ARM Laptop

[klokik]

but if amd/nvidia/whoever starts to produce arm and add same features as x86 will this not make the said procesor as close as before?
are they force in anyway to make the feature available for the rest of manufacturers if they decide to go arm? cause if not everything will be the same

ARM as a company is in charge of instruction set features. Sure, a vendor may implement their proprietary extensions that will only work on their hardware, but that's just not sustainable in the long run unless said vendor has a monopoly. Even Apple while having a non-standard implementation of matrix math extensions (understandably, as it was likely not standardized at the time when the core was designed, which likely influenced the final extension design) never even advertised them for developer use outside through an API, later on implemented ARMv9 compliant SME, that should be compatible with all the other players.

If a vendor will start locking you in - do not buy from that vendor, with ARM we fortunately have a choice. RISC-V is unfortunately not there yet, POWER is both too expensive and hungry, MIPS and SPARC are effectively dead, Loongson is a single-vendor, same as a dozen other "domestic" processors that have no chances of survival without deep government pockets.

[archkde]

what advantage has arm over x86? (other than power consumption)
im curios why everybody want to produce arm cpus

Not even power consumption is better with ARM.

[loganj]

Because there is a space for more than two vendors with cross-licensing agreement. Effectively, no other company can enter x86 CPU market now. And these two companies do not deliver exciting stuff that geeks want. ARM, on the other hand, is happy to sell you a competitive IP Core at good price, or an architecture license for you to create your own, compatible with all the existing software and tools.
Tool-wise ARM ecosystem is more that ready for all kinds of use, and in general is better documented, ISA is of a much cleaner design compared to amd64.
Years ago consumer CPU market was more diverse, and folks would be happy to see something new at once.

thank you. that makes sense. but if amd/nvidia/whoever starts to produce arm and add same features as x86 will this not make the said procesor as close as before?
are they force in anyway to make the feature available for the rest of manufacturers if they decide to go arm? cause if not everything will be the same

[Smurphy]

Have a Pine64 Pro laptop that barely did cost me 200 U$. Nice animal, even though the touchpad is crap. Even the latest firmware updates couldn't help.
Slightly better CPU than the Acer IMHO, 4GB Ram, and 64GBytes mmc, and the screen (matt) is amazing. Wonder who copied who.

[sbivol]

How are Apple and Ampere still alive then?

Why wouldn't they be? Using a slower CPU doesn't trigger instant bankruptcy.
More to the point, one company sells fashion accessories and the other one sells CPUs with very high core counts, and both are hugely lucrative.
Even more to the point, Acer have sold garbage with bottom of the barrel components for decades, and here they are, continuing the tradition.

[zexelon]

Picked up a Lenovo T16 (21K7-000AUS) with the AMD Ryzen Pro 7 a few weeks ago, its been an absolute dream on Kubuntu 24.04. These distros have come a very long way in the last few years on the user friendliness front.

Everything just works! Even gaming has been a dream! Nothing major mind you... it is a T16...

[tildearrow]

It really can't, at least not the CPU cores. The ASIC part of the chipset can "compete" because it's more or less the same circuits.

How are Apple and Ampere still alive then?

[klokik]

what advantage has arm over x86? (other than power consumption)
im curios why everybody want to produce arm cpus

Because there is a space for more than two vendors with cross-licensing agreement. Effectively, no other company can enter x86 CPU market now. And these two companies do not deliver exciting stuff that geeks want. ARM, on the other hand, is happy to sell you a competitive IP Core at good price, or an architecture license for you to create your own, compatible with all the existing software and tools.
Tool-wise ARM ecosystem is more that ready for all kinds of use, and in general is better documented, ISA is of a much cleaner design compared to amd64.
Years ago consumer CPU market was more diverse, and folks would be happy to see something new at once.

[sbivol]

why just 4GB RAM?

Because Acer is an ultra-budget brand and their market segment only cares about price.

Prove it can compete hand-to-hand with x86!

It really can't, at least not the CPU cores. The ASIC part of the chipset can "compete" because it's more or less the same circuits.

[loganj]

what advantage has arm over x86? (other than power consumption)
im curios why everybody want to produce arm cpus