Framework Laptop 16 Delivers Great Linux Support & Performance, Excellent Customizability

[Artim]

Every user. And it will break, I've already experienced this with a protruding USB express card I was too lazy to remove.

Sure, every user. That's why ethernet connectors have become quite the rarity in laptops🤡

[Shiba]

Wow, necessary for a single person. Spoiler alert: nobody forces you to buy a Framework. Also, there's no reason to unplug it when you put it into your backpack. If you don't act like a moron and try to damage it, you won't.

Every user. And it will break, I've already experienced this with a protruding USB express card I was too lazy to remove.

[Artim]

Very necessary. I can tell you in advance if I ever own one of this, I will not bother plugging/unplugging that module like a damn dongle every time I put the PC in my backpack. I'll give it one week before the plastic starts to fall apart.

Wow, necessary for a single person. Spoiler alert: nobody forces you to buy a Framework. Also, there's no reason to unplug it when you put it into your backpack. If you don't act like a moron and try to damage it, you won't.

[Anux]

I did not claim that motherboards would break. That was someone else.

Oh, sorry.

Maybe Lenovo just made a particularly breakable model that you had so much trouble with?

Thinkpads definitely have become worse over time but unless someone builds those ports out of steel I don't see how they could ever handle mechanical stress.

Dell has/had a good solution to keep those ports strong while still having a thin laptop: P1038392.jpg

[andyprough]

And? What does this prove?

You're point was that it is unlikely to break those ports and a MB is broken much easier which of course is absolute bullshit and just because you managed not to break them doesn't really help your argument because I guess your mother board is still working?

I had many of them in my hands and connected them to the network for installation of W10 and didn't break them, but I also didn't really use them in the field and was careful while un/plugging. Just having a cable plugged in and then moving the laptop is enough to break those ports.

I did not claim that motherboards would break. That was someone else. I like this one I'm using with the slimline collapsible ethernet port, hope it keeps working for a long time. Maybe Lenovo just made a particularly breakable model that you had so much trouble with? Anyway, even if it were to eventually break, I'd replace it with a cheap disposable rat-tail dongle, not one like this Framework is using. We had big expansion card ethernet ports like this on laptops in the early 00's, they were also always breaking.

[Anux]

Well now you have another data point, because I've been using one without breakage or any issues at all. So everyone [except one person] has broken them.

And? What does this prove?

You're point was that it is unlikely to break those ports and a MB is broken much easier which of course is absolute bullshit and just because you managed not to break them doesn't really help your argument because I guess your mother board is still working?

I had many of them in my hands and connected them to the network for installation of W10 and didn't break them, but I also didn't really use them in the field and was careful while un/plugging. Just having a cable plugged in and then moving the laptop is enough to break those ports.

[Shiba]

Still a very unnecessary point of failure.

Very necessary. I can tell you in advance if I ever own one of this, I will not bother plugging/unplugging that module like a damn dongle every time I put the PC in my backpack. I'll give it one week before the plastic starts to fall apart.

[Drizzt321]

Probably could fit a few more in there, for sure. Not sure if they'll ever do that or not, but you could also develop your own/mod the fan-only version. Not sure if you'll get more than 1 or 2, the fans take up a fair bit of room. Nothing says you have to do a module, you probably could end up fitting a full 3-4 port USB4 hub in there, just need to hook it up to the interposer.

Problem is that ones is going to be a bit more technically challenging, to design/build, rather than the simpler USB-C -> something modules.

[NM64]

Regarding there only being 6 ports, you sort of get a 7th with the discrete GPU as it has a dedicated type-C video output on the rear of the module.

Also I've theorized that, since the expansion bay has 8x lanes of PCIe 4.0, you could have an expansion module that simply just has even more expansion slots (they already have a module that simply adds more m.2 slots), but I don't know the thickness of the discrete GPU expansion to know if a USB expansion card or the like would even fit.

[Drizzt321]

well
card reader is also nice to have (i don't know if they sell that one)
i use 1 sound card on usb
1 mouse
1 keyboard (i dont like to type any laptop keyboard)
hdmi is a must (why they don't include one already)
i use ethernet too
so.....
if any new thing like a usb stick i need to plug in from time to time or something else......
if u want a eGPU too........
if you suggest to use a hub then every other ports are useless cause 1 or 2 usb (3/4) is enought to replace all that.

ive seen laptop with 2 usb-c (4/3)+3 usb-a+sd card + hdmi + nvidia (4060) for 1300 euro....so the price for FW laptops is too huge for what it offers.

They have a mSD card reader, and I think they are about to or already have released an SD card reader. although speaking as someone who does some digital photography, I just use a single combo reader (well, I have CF cards, not SD) USB3 one.

Are you _actually_ using all of those all the time?

As in, if you're using an external monitor always (with or without eGPU), I presume you're at a desk, and so you can easily use the monitor integrated hub. If it's a new enough monitor, might actually support DP over USB4, and thus you can get an integrated USB hub for your keyboard & mouse. Potentially even powering the Framework, so now you're at a single cable to the Framework and your standard "always using" stuff (monitor, keyboard, mouse) plugged into the monitor, not even a separate power jack. So now you've got 5 free ports available.

It basically sounds like you're trying to replace a desktop with a laptop...to always use as a desktop.

I do get wanting a proper keyboard & mouse when you're at a desk, sure.

And while not official, and I do wish Framework would release official USB 3.2 g2 (would be nice to be USB4, but not necessary) dual USB-C (maybe dual USB-A too), I'm looking forward to seeing dual USB-C https://community.frame.work/t/dual-...sion-card/2325 from the community, and maybe doing this DIY dual A yself https://community.frame.work/t/dual-usb-a-card/42591.

And before you complain, yes, for a basic dual A or C, we shouldn't rely (now) on the community or DIY to get them, but that's part of the use case for Framework. Easily available specs and information so you can fix or customize it yourself!