HP Dev One - A Great, Well Engineered AMD Ryzen Linux Laptop

[jacob]

You answered yourself.

Right so remind me what exactly your point was? We are discussing a laptop based on AMD, so Nvidia is not even in the picture. Somehow you pretend that Apple is a better choice.

[Ladis]

Ok so I can now install say a Fedora or Ubuntu on a M1 *TODAY*, use Gnome + Wayland at full performance, with suspend & resume working, 100% WiFi support, 100% Bluetooth, with sane battery autonomy etc.? Somehow no-one in the world has noticed

PS: you really seem fixated on NVidia. There are actually good Linux options out there, called Intel and AMD.

You answered yourself.

[jacob]

Apple si a superior Linux solution compared to NVidia. That proprietary driver is a dealbreaker. You really are not in picture, when you think linux on M1 is in a text mode and without networking.

Ok so I can now install say a Fedora or Ubuntu on a M1 *TODAY*, use Gnome + Wayland at full performance, with suspend & resume working, 100% WiFi support, 100% Bluetooth, with sane battery autonomy etc.? Somehow no-one in the world has noticed

PS: you really seem fixated on NVidia. There are actually good Linux options out there, called Intel and AMD.

[Ladis]

NVidia si a superior Linux solution compared to Apple. You think that its proprietary driver is a dealbreaker? Well yes, compared to Intel and AMD. Compared to Apple that doesn't have a working GPU driver at all.. - oh wait, it's "in progress", is it?. Let me know when it's 100% working out of the box, with full power management, full OpenGL and Vulkan support and performance equal to that on MacOS. Yeah at the moment you can perhaps boot Linux on the M1 and use it in text mode, without networking, bluetooth, virtualisation or any necessary feature. And that's supposed to be a good option for Linux? Let me laugh.

Apple si a superior Linux solution compared to NVidia. That proprietary driver is a dealbreaker. You really are not in picture, when you think linux on M1 is in a text mode and without networking.

[jacob]

Haha, just a "little" cost of using a sh*tty proprietary driver. And you probably don't read Phoronix as you think you can't run Linux on M1 or that the GPU driver is not in progress. PS: I talk also about AMD and Intel - it's you who talks about Nvidia as a superior Linux solution.

NVidia si a superior Linux solution compared to Apple. You think that its proprietary driver is a dealbreaker? Well yes, compared to Intel and AMD. Compared to Apple that doesn't have a working GPU driver at all.. - oh wait, it's "in progress", is it?. Let me know when it's 100% working out of the box, with full power management, full OpenGL and Vulkan support and performance equal to that on MacOS. Yeah at the moment you can perhaps boot Linux on the M1 and use it in text mode, without networking, bluetooth, virtualisation or any necessary feature. And that's supposed to be a good option for Linux? Let me laugh.

[Ladis]

How is it not useless compared no NVidia? With NVidia you can run a full fledged Linux system, at the cost of relying on a proprietary driver with many issues. With Apple at the moment you can't run Linux at all. When it comes to raw performance, AMD dGPUs still leave M1 in dust.

PS: the fact that you keep bringing up NVidia only shows what a strawman you are trying to build. No-one sane would pick NVidia for an all-Linux machine. Yet, NVidia still works, with caveats. That still makes it an infinitely superior Linux solution compared to Apple that doesn't work at all.

Haha, just a "little" cost of using a sh*tty proprietary driver. And you probably don't read Phoronix as you think you can't run Linux on M1 or that the GPU driver is not in progress. PS: I talk also about AMD and Intel - it's you who talks about Nvidia as a superior Linux solution.

[jacob]

Not useless compared to NVidia. Also not useless as trying to run computations on AMD GPU or getting performance on Intel GPU.

How is it not useless compared no NVidia? With NVidia you can run a full fledged Linux system, at the cost of relying on a proprietary driver with many issues. With Apple at the moment you can't run Linux at all. When it comes to raw performance, AMD dGPUs still leave M1 in dust.

PS: the fact that you keep bringing up NVidia only shows what a strawman you are trying to build. No-one sane would pick NVidia for an all-Linux machine. Yet, NVidia still works, with caveats. That still makes it an infinitely superior Linux solution compared to Apple that doesn't work at all.

[Spacefish]

Nah..

- Quite pricey..
- RTL8822CE WiFi card which you probably can´t replace as the BIOS has a whitelist of accepted PCIe Device IDs (at least that´s how it is on all newer HP Laptop i have seen)
- Has no WiFi 6
- Barrel jack charging adapter, no USB-C PD / PPS Charging??
- Display is Glossy

HP has better hardware for the same price, like the ZBook Firefly 15 G8.. If they made that one with an AMD-Processor that would be cool.

I still love my Zen 2 based Acer Aspire 5, replaced the WiFi Card with an Intel AX210 for 20€, works like a charm. Battery life is a whole day and the touchpad, keyboard and display are nothing special but they work great. Costs 1/3rd of the money, i paid 550€ for it. 16 Gig Ram and 8-Core/16-Threads as well..
The Realtek Card it had before was hell, you couldn´t use 2,4GHz WiFi + Bluetooth together and the connection to 5GHz keeps dropping / the card resetting.. The official driver has a Windows Service which resets the hardware card when it locks up..
The Bluetooth stack was partly working... No one needs something like that..

[Ladis]

If your intention is to run Linux on a laptop, obviously you wouldn't get one with a NVidia GPU. Radeon and Intel graphics have the full first class support right now. My point is that if you want to use Linux then any Apple product is utterly and totally useless.

Not useless compared to NVidia. Also not useless as trying to run computations on AMD GPU or getting performance on Intel GPU.

[jacob]

I know I can install Windows 11 on an unsupported hardware, but MS says it may stop receiving updates in the future. And what do you mean by full first class hardware support? If you have NVidia, you will sooner have better support on M1. Because Apple doesn't block you from writing a driver with full features.

If your intention is to run Linux on a laptop, obviously you wouldn't get one with a NVidia GPU. Radeon and Intel graphics have the full first class support right now. My point is that if you want to use Linux then any Apple product is utterly and totally useless.