HP Dev One - A Great, Well Engineered AMD Ryzen Linux Laptop

[deusexmachina]

Long time without seeing you on these forms Luke_wolf. In your mind what would make a good developer's laptop?

I'm happy to answer as well:
16:10 qd-oled
Upgradable RAM to 64GB (unreg ECC compatible, like all Ryzen Pros already are)
Attempt durability like thinkpad
PCIe slot that's full speed / no added latency (frame.work decided against so far)
Some modular keyboard types. For me closer to older thinkpad and ortholinear.
hot swap batteries
2 NVMe slots
latest AMD integrated graphics
Work with "Project X" to get a corebooted ryzen

I hope frame.work does this as they are close!

[deusexmachina]

A real question considering battery life and suspend durability is what Lenovo seems to have given up on in their new AMD laptops: proper s0ix support and correctly functioning s3 in many cases.

[deusexmachina]

I know I'm a bit late to this thread but I did a ctrl+f on all 8 pages and found that nobody seemed to mention ECC memory support...

So yeah, it would have been nice to see if ECC memory worked or not since the Pro-SKU APUs are supposed to have that enabled in AGESA unlike for non-Pro-SKU APUs (at which point it would hinge on whether the motherboard itself includes the necessary additional traces for ECC or not).

Right, there are some framework ECC threads to support on their forum - for those interested.

The AMD CPUs like this (PRO) all natively support ECC! So it is a shame to see none of the companies building computers with these chips even allowing us to install our own ECC - motherboard support would be easy and cheap!

[deusexmachina]

Would buy if it has an OLED display. Why do all "work laptops" have shitty displays? At least let us be able to replace it... Or hopefully frame.work will make display replacement w/ some OLED models possibld

[jacob]

A "DEV" machine is something that doesn't need a fancy 3D card.
If you want to play games or do rendering, then you need a "multimedia laptop", not a DEV laptop ...So, basically any laptop with a NVidia GPU is not a DEV laptop.
The Dell XPS 15 would have been perfect for me if it did not have a NVidia card.
It only waste power, generate heat and complicate drivers.

A DEV machine may very well need a real and well supported GPU. Not everyone develops websites. Maybe I'm are developing something that uses 3D graphics or otherwise performs GPU computation. And besides that, I want a full GNOME environment, which needs a GPU by itself. I'm not all that interested in non-mainstream distros and especially in the likes of i3 or even XFCE...

[Raka555]

How is it not useless compared no NVidia? With NVidia you can run a full fledged Linux system, at the cost of relying on a proprietary driver with many issues. With Apple at the moment you can't run Linux at all. When it comes to raw performance, AMD dGPUs still leave M1 in dust.

PS: the fact that you keep bringing up NVidia only shows what a strawman you are trying to build. No-one sane would pick NVidia for an all-Linux machine. Yet, NVidia still works, with caveats. That still makes it an infinitely superior Linux solution compared to Apple that doesn't work at all.

A "DEV" machine is something that doesn't need a fancy 3D card.
If you want to play games or do rendering, then you need a "multimedia laptop", not a DEV laptop ...So, basically any laptop with a NVidia GPU is not a DEV laptop.
The Dell XPS 15 would have been perfect for me if it did not have a NVidia card.
It only waste power, generate heat and complicate drivers.

[Raka555]

Absolutely incorrect.

A "Dev Laptop" properly is a class of enterprise grade hardware more commonly known as a Mobile Workstation handed out by businesses to developers. It's not whatever random computer you want to develop on for your personal enjoyment. By definition they are high spec machines relative to the current hardware ecosystem using enterprise grade hardware. They need docking station capability which lives it's life in your cube, hooked up to 2-3 monitors and other peripherals, but is also expected to have a decent built-in keyboard and a large (historically replaceable) battery for on the go. This combination of requirements means they are absolute bricks.

What HP and Dell are trying to do is take barebones basic tier enterprise-grade ultrabooks that businesses hand off to HR, middle managers, and the like and passing that off to consumers as something it's not.

Just more BS and the reason why software are so bad.
They use those monster machines and then the rest of the world have to follow suit in order to be able to run that crap ...

[danger]

I got to say, the specs, the build and the performance of this laptop look very solid. Especially for such low price of $1100. I'd definitely get this laptop, if I didn't have Thinkpad T14 Gen2 with AMD Ryzen 7 5850U already. I paid about $250 more for my Thinkpad (when it was on a 40% sale) with roughly the same configuration.

[Mark Rose]

Actually I don't do much upscaling. Instead I end up with more usable screen real estate. Being a programmer, it's an advantage being able to fit more on your screen.

I agree completely. After having a 4k 17" laptop, I'll never go back. With interfaces and websites designed to fit 1080p windows, I can put once in each corner, and the resolution is high enough that the font holes don't collapse. I run without scaling. It's been a game changer for me: I feel zero need to use an additional monitor doing development.

I haven't tried 4k in 15". I think that would be a little below my personal sweet spot, but still usable without scaling.

[NM64]

I know I'm a bit late to this thread but I did a ctrl+f on all 8 pages and found that nobody seemed to mention ECC memory support...

So yeah, it would have been nice to see if ECC memory worked or not since the Pro-SKU APUs are supposed to have that enabled in AGESA unlike for non-Pro-SKU APUs (at which point it would hinge on whether the motherboard itself includes the necessary additional traces for ECC or not).