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  • #21
    Originally posted by Ironmask View Post

    Jesus Christ, the Russia thing only started a month ago. Russia was relatively chill and was even considered for NATO until then. Are you some kind of state prosecutor just trying to find any arbitrary thing to stick to them? I have the desire to disregard your other points now just because I'm forced to doubt the validity of anything you say at this point, you're obviously operating out of some kind of delusional vendetta against them instead of just trying to offer criticisms.
    For years i read all the information about linux from this website. Now i just registered to answer this russian propaganda. I think users spreading this kind of russian propaganda should be banned from those websites permanently!
    These are countries invaded by russia during past 100 years, Some of them many times.
    Poland, Baltic states, Finland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Norway, Chechnya, Manchuria, Korea, Japan, Moldova, Georgia. There was full blown GENOCIDE in Chechnya! 100 years ago Georgia was forced to enter soviet uninon. It was occupation of full country for 70 years! Just like other members of soviet union.
    In 1991 april 9 Georgia was declared independent, 2 years before that on the same day russian tanks were killing innocent people on the streets of capital of Georgia, Tbilisi. Just like they do TODAY in Ukraine!
    Even today russia has occupied territories of Georgia (abkhazia, samachablo->so called south osetia), Ukraine (Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk), Japan (Kuril islands), Moldova (Transnistria). There is war in Ukraine. It's full blown GENOCIDE. They kill all the people. They shoot schools, hospitals, churches anything. There are many videos of russian tanks shooting innocent civilians. Killing children with their mothers. And guys like these spread russian propaganda, admins should take actions and permanently ban him! I am sorry if this is not the place to write this kind of message. But i am Georgian myself i can not stand aside and just let them write this kind of bullshit. Many many Georgians went in Ukraine to fight for them, to fight for us! Because if russia wins in Ukraine, Georgia will be destroyed too.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
      Qt Based? Check
      Nothing wrong with that.

      Proprietary? Check
      Only the parts they don't fully own themselves and hence can't fully open source.

      Company has a history of scamming its supporters? Check
      Ah, the usual "Every car crash is actually an insurance scam" thinking. However here in the adult world where things are more complicated than your average Saturday morning cartoon mistakes and circumstances outside of people's control happen without any malicious intent.

      Company has a history of working with Fascist Russia? Check
      Again, here in the adult world there's a huge difference between working with specific Russian companies and working with the Russian government. Even then, they've cut off code sharing between SailfishOS and the Russian offshoot Aurora while all of their Russian board members have resigned. Besides, being located on Russia's doorstep it's only natural that you're going to get close company relationships like this. Blaming Jolla for this is like blaming Canadian companies for working with American ones.
      "Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."

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      • #23
        Originally posted by ahjolinna View Post

        - about the Proprietary thing...yes they have some apps like the Android apps support that are Proprietary....but the sailfishOS itself is open
        That's great to hear! I've been waiting for the source for their core Silica UI stuff, as well as basic dialer, messaging, and settings apps for nearly a decade. Where can I find that source?

        I'm sure the Nemomobile devs would love to get their hands on that. It would save them a lot of time. It's a shame they've wasted so much time writing their own replacements.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by ahjolinna View Post

          - about the Proprietary thing...yes they have some apps like the Android apps support that are Proprietary....but the sailfishOS itself is open
          This is wrong, the whole shell and half of the standard apps that come with the OS are proprietary garbage. In fact, Sailfish OS is around as proprietary as Android with the full google apps set installed replacing the AOSP app set.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by L_A_G View Post
            Only the parts they don't fully own themselves and hence can't fully open source.
            Do you want to claim the whole shell and most userland apps that come with the OS are not fully owned by Jolla?

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            • #26
              Originally posted by DanL View Post
              False or half truth claims? Check
              I have absolutely zero doubt that you would fall for the image Jolla wants to represent itself as. But yes, 90% of that makes SailfishOS the thing we call "SailfishOS" aka the shell, most userland apps, services and SFOS demons are proprietary. Not surprised though that the Qt Company and KDE fanboys would fall for Jollas "We are so open, look here, Linux Smartphone OS" BS . AOSP is a more open linux based smartphone OS, A fully Googled Android rivals SFOS in terms of Openness.

              Its more then 10 years now that they promised to FLOSS or at least OSS all that stuff, and still to this day nothing.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
                Do you want to claim the whole shell and most userland apps that come with the OS are not fully owned by Jolla?
                They've been fully open for years that their part-owners are also part-owners of much of their codebase. They'd said this time and time again when people have asked about fully open sourcing SailfishOS and they've had to explain why it hasn't happened. We're talking about a company that has had multiple instances of near bankruptcy and to get more money out of owners you often have to offer up whatever you own as collateral.

                You're free to be uninformed, but try to keep it to yourself.
                "Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by CochainComplex View Post
                  It would be interessting how they maneuver through the sanctions - if they have to. Aurora for Russia was/is their major income.
                  I've been following the debates between Estonian ex president and some Finnish hardcore commies in Twitter, and it seems not everyone in Finland are that pro western either. The ex president of Finland is holding hands with Putin like a cute couple in love here: https://twitter.com/RogerKulmala/sta...75154921938945. She might be even worse than Trump, probably feeling wet down there while dreaming of new ways to demolish their military forces.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
                    Qt Based? Check
                    Proprietary? Check
                    Company has a history of scamming its supporters? Check
                    Company has a history of working with Fascist Russia? Check
                    You call something scam because it didn't work out? There were refunds.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by caligula View Post

                      I've been following the debates between Estonian ex president and some Finnish hardcore commies in Twitter, and it seems not everyone in Finland are that pro western either. The ex president of Finland is holding hands with Putin like a cute couple in love here: https://twitter.com/RogerKulmala/sta...75154921938945. She might be even worse than Trump, probably feeling wet down there while dreaming of new ways to demolish their military forces.
                      I was not aware of them. But Putin plays the Machiavellian Trumpet with virtuosity.
                      German ex chancellor Gerhard Schröder got good jobs in Russian Gas businesses. Is now heavily criticised - obviously. Albeit he seems more being manipulated then part of his make CCCP great again.
                      Putin is luring the far right and far left equally across EU and most likely around the world. Left parties at traditionally more Russian friendly. And the far right like Trump, UKIP, Le Pen, Orban, AFD,...are sympathising with like minded politicians. Plus they got support. But they also use there ties to spread misinformation. Of course Putin is inreressted to divide the western unity by helping to get selfish nationalists installed. Or commies as vassal regimes. IMHO Putin is less socialist than "democratic" diktator. As he once stated "guided" democracy.

                      According to your username I'm assuming you well know the "divide et impera" principle
                      Last edited by CochainComplex; 31 March 2022, 03:14 AM.

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