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  • ⲣⲂaggins
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    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

    If someone decides to rip out the whole software stack and replace it with a different stack, HP can't be expected to ensure that the new Frankenstein pc will work without a hitch.
    They are expected to produce general purpose computing hardware that conforms to the relevant standards. If those standards are met, they guarantee exactly that.

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  • ⲣⲂaggins
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    I must have got lucky, because my HP laptop actually works. Some of the issues I ran into (now solved thankfully) were even shared with Dell users. They suck for not releasing any updates over fwupd though. (How hard can it be?) This is despite their logo being emblazoned across the fwupd homepage saying how much they support it.

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  • J.King
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    My own HP laptop (Spectre, not Omen) works fairly poorly. Kernel version 5.13 helped, but power management is the pits. Someday, maybe!

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  • danmcgrew
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    Originally posted by Sonadow View Post

    HP's laptops and desktops don't even work well on Windows.

    Their default image is chock full of useless garbage, such as every single version of the Visual C++ Runtime libraries all the way back to 2003 and a whole of 'free' stuff like DVD players, Blu-ray players, disc recorders and trial antivirus installers that screw up just about everything. And HP machines are the only machines with a screwed up version of Windows that does not allow a user to enter Sysprep mode; they just reboot instantly upon entering it.
    There are some people who stay abreast, continually, of the marketplace.
    And then there are the others. With personal opinion.

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  • Sonadow
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    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

    The laptop works just fine just the way it is sold. It's sold with a certain hardware/software configuration, and it's guaranteed to work just fine as it is sold.

    If someone decides to rip out the whole software stack and replace it with a different stack, HP can't be expected to ensure that the new Frankenstein pc will work without a hitch.
    HP's laptops and desktops don't even work well on Windows.

    Their default image is chock full of useless garbage, such as every single version of the Visual C++ Runtime libraries all the way back to 2003 and a whole of 'free' stuff like DVD players, Blu-ray players, disc recorders and trial antivirus installers that screw up just about everything. And HP machines are the only machines with a screwed up version of Windows that does not allow a user to enter Sysprep mode; they just reboot instantly upon entering it.

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  • sophisticles
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    Originally posted by danmcgrew View Post

    Blah Blah, a bunch of stupid bullshit, followed by "WhatEVER happened to that business practice of not offering a product for sale until it was absolutely ready to be sold?"
    The laptop works just fine just the way it is sold. It's sold with a certain hardware/software configuration, and it's guaranteed to work just fine as it is sold.

    If someone decides to rip out the whole software stack and replace it with a different stack, HP can't be expected to ensure that the new Frankenstein pc will work without a hitch.

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  • Sonadow
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    Originally posted by danmcgrew View Post

    The only problem is that it's getting harder, by the month, to find good, affordable laptops on which Linux can be installed because Microsoft is making it harder and harder.

    I just returned an absolutely beautiful piece of very affordable hardware to the store because the 2-week-return policy was about to expire; and it was appearing as though, with all of Microsoft's stumbling blocks (UEFI; Secure Boot; no---or hidden---appropriate menu items; no Legacy Bios choice), if it was even possible.
    Good. CSM can go to hell.

    Those who are too stupid to adapt to UEFI and Secure Boot don't deserve to use new computers.

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  • krzyzowiec
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    Originally posted by danmcgrew View Post
    WhatEVER happened to that business practice of not offering a product for sale until it was absolutely ready to be sold?
    To be fair to HP, they are pretty adamant that they don't support Linux whatsoever.

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  • danmcgrew
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
    Quick shoutout to the “I'm not buying a Linux laptop because a Windows laptop on which I install Linux is cheaper and juist as well supported” people.
    The only problem is that it's getting harder, by the month, to find good, affordable laptops on which Linux can be installed because Microsoft is making it harder and harder.

    I just returned an absolutely beautiful piece of very affordable hardware to the store because the 2-week-return policy was about to expire; and it was appearing as though, with all of Microsoft's stumbling blocks (UEFI; Secure Boot; no---or hidden---appropriate menu items; no Legacy Bios choice), if it was even possible.
    I seem to remember some article, regarding one particular laptop, in which the author had deemed it impossible to install Linux on the (Windows) machine in question.

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  • Vistaus
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    Quick shoutout to the “I'm not buying a Linux laptop because a Windows laptop on which I install Linux is cheaper and juist as well supported” people.

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