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  • oiaohm
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    [QUOTE=marathone;n1224662]
    Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...uenza-pandemic

    Well yeah, because the virus weakened the entire system — d'uh. See below. This is a problem when laypeople try to interpret results. See below quote, taken from YOUR link BTW. Stop being an asshat and spreading information that you clearly don't understand! My elderly brother had COVID during the 1st wave and fortunately recovered, but is still suffering from the effects. His recovery was helped because we have a couple of infectious disease specalists in the family.

    "The pneumonia was caused when bacteria that normally inhabit the nose and throat invaded the lungs along a pathway created when the virus destroyed the cells that line the bronchial tubes and lungs."
    Bacterial pneumonia is generally controlled by antibiotics. Those dieing of Covid-19 are not dieing to Bacterial pneumonia.

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...s-to-the-lungs
    Those dieing to covid-19 are if they due from pneumonia is https://www.healthline.com/health/viral-pneumonia Viral pneumonia. Pure Viral pneumonia does not have the bacteria that normally inhabit the nose and throat cause any trouble. Its simple that the virus cell damage is great enough alone to cause Viral pneumonia and kill you.

    Covid-19 ability to create Viral pneumonia exceeds the common flu viruses and even historic pandemic flu viruses by insane scale.

    You did not think there are two different pneumonia did you viral and bacterial. What one it is is kind of important to make sure you are comparing apples with apples.

    Originally posted by marathone View Post
    No shit, that's what the link I quoted says. A “really bad flu year” is disastrous! We haven't had one since 1918, and we should consider ourselves lucky. BTW Wikipedia isn't a resource I'd use for evidence on anything except maybe computer science. It's not a reliable source.
    1918 was a very bad bacterial pneumonia event before we had the antibiotics to control bacterial pneumonia. We really have not seen a bad bacterial pneumonia event with a flu since 1918 and we hope not to see one again. Reason why we have not seen very bad bacterial pneumonia event since is 1920 is the first invention of antibiotics yes antibiotics is the counter to Bacterial pneumonia and of course antibiotics do absolutely nothing against Viral Pneumonia.

    We would need antibiotic resistant bacteria to turn up that ends up in peoples lungs to have a really bad Bacterial pneumonia to turn up again.

    1918 deaths was not virus mostly virus caused. 1918 a major outlier. Interesting enough there are strains of bacteria that were commonly found in 1918 samples of lungs are not found in most modern day sample either. Interesting cause reduction in horse born transport changed the bacteria biome. So between bacterial biome changes in human lungs and antibiotics that is why we have not seen another 1918 level of flu death.

    Yes 1910 introduction of the mass produced car took a while to push horses out and the 1920 invention of antibiotics are the two major things why we have not had another 1918 even that we have had equal viruses quite a few times to 1918 most recent being 2009. Covid-19 exceeds common flu viruses by a long way in virus caused lung damage.

    Yes I fell sorry for your brother as yet we still don't know if the long term effects of the cell damage covid-19 causes if it will cause later issues like fatal blood clots and other problems. Horrible part here is still suffering effects=possible the walking dead that just has not died from the unknown complication yet due to the damage. I would be recommend you brother does up a bucket list.

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  • marathone
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    [QUOTE=oiaohm;n1224501]
    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...uenza-pandemic

    Spanish flu has been highly researched. Giving Spanish flu 3 percent death rate same as Covid-19 is me being very conservative. Autopsy of those who died were very clear. The first successful vaccine against 1918 Spanish flu when rechecked in modern day turned out not to work against the virus but only against the bacteria.
    Well yeah, because the virus weakened the entire system — d'uh. See below. This is a problem when laypeople try to interpret results. See below quote, taken from YOUR link BTW. Stop being an asshat and spreading information that you clearly don't understand! My elderly brother had COVID during the 1st wave and fortunately recovered, but is still suffering from the effects. His recovery was helped because we have a couple of infectious disease specalists in the family.

    "The pneumonia was caused when bacteria that normally inhabit the nose and throat invaded the lungs along a pathway created when the virus destroyed the cells that line the bronchial tubes and lungs."

    Wikipedia Spanish flu write up has a good list of cites. When you follow them they provide you with stack of useful data to find all the other cites.

    The reality is the virus of the 1918 Spanish Flu was most likely no worse than a really bad flu year. Autopsy of those dieing from covid-19 are death from the virus not secondary infection.
    No shit, that's what the link I quoted says. A “really bad flu year” is disastrous! We haven't had one since 1918, and we should consider ourselves lucky. BTW Wikipedia isn't a resource I'd use for evidence on anything except maybe computer science. It's not a reliable source.


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  • itoffshore
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    Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
    Its really simple to forget globally we have passed 1.54M dead globally that are confirmed from covid-19.
    This is a complete & total lie - people have STOPPED dying of the flu & heart disease & various other conditions - these deaths are fraudulently classed as COVID now (see links in previous post)

    There is another agenda at play here - depopulation:If you are stupid enough to believe this PLANdemic hoax & take a vaccine - there will be no mercy for your soul




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  • itoffshore
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    Originally posted by pgeorgi View Post

    Or maybe: the insistence of people that showing their mouth to the world is more important than keeping society alive?
    if you cannot see this is a scamdemic you are part of the problem
    'It's not a killer virus that many will die of. This virus is also not necessarily a death sentence for the elderly and sick. Most will survive the disease.'
    Prof. Dr. Klaus Püschel




    Last edited by itoffshore; 07 December 2020, 09:02 PM.

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  • oiaohm
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    Originally posted by marathone View Post
    @oiaohm I assume you have some citations to back up your assertions?
    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...uenza-pandemic

    Spanish flu has been highly researched. Giving Spanish flu 3 percent death rate same as Covid-19 is me being very conservative. Autopsy of those who died were very clear. The first successful vaccine against 1918 Spanish flu when rechecked in modern day turned out not to work against the virus but only against the bacteria.

    Wikipedia Spanish flu write up has a good list of cites. When you follow them they provide you with stack of useful data to find all the other cites.

    The reality is the virus of the 1918 Spanish Flu was most likely no worse than a really bad flu year. Autopsy of those dieing from covid-19 are death from the virus not secondary infection.

    There is a good table on the Wikipedia but you have to read it carefully.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanis...ther_pandemics

    We have had the Spanish flu virus twice basically twice. 2009 flu pandemic was also H1N1/09 basically its a vernation on the Spanish Flu. It fill hospitals. But only 0.01% died. Not having the bacteria infection reduced the lethality of H1N1 by basically a scale of 1000. The reality we have been getting the Spanish Flu virus relatives regularly with about the same level of lethality.

    At worst most pandemic flu virus direct 0.3% death rate from all the ones that we can confirm this covers the Spanish flu and Spanish flu virus was not the worse here. Covid-19 is at least 1% death direct from virus when averaged across populations.

    Covid-19 virus is pandemic class due to is rapid effective spread. Really bad flu season infected to dead is still only 0.1% those seasons there has normally not been any vaccine to the virus causing the deaths. Covid-19 on lethality from the virus is somewhere between 10-300 times worse than normal flu virus. The reality here is the rapid spreading human to human virus Covid-19 is in a totally different class.

    Think about it if a secondary bacteria infection with Spanish flu takes a 0.1-0.01% death rate from virus and converts it into 10% death rate. The long we have covid-19 around that we cannot treat/control the risk of a secondary bacteria infection appearing increases. People think Covid-19 bad now. If effective secondary bacteria infection appears the result will be at least 10 times worse.

    The reality here is what we are seeing in covid-19 death rate at moment is basically tip of iceberg. We have chance with correct action to avoid that iceberg mostly.

    The people who got sick/died from covid-19 are like the canary in the coal mine the expendable warning if we don't take the data they have provided us by getting sick/dieing serous-ally a lot more will join them.

    Yes what trump and others like him did did with Covid-19 was walk coal mine see the canary drop dead and keep on walking in then having to fight to get your team members back out as they fall over from the toxic gas. Yes you can still at this point in a mine to choose to walk stupidly in deeper and the death rate keep on increasing.

    Its really simple to forget globally we have passed 1.54M dead globally that are confirmed from covid-19. This is already more dead confirmed than any pure virus pandemic that has ever happened before in documented history with a higher lethality from pure virus based pandemic than all of documented history. We are more than on path to pass 4 Million what is the highest suspected that a pure virus based pandemic has caused.

    If you look at the number of people who have been infected to global population if they can only be infected once covid-19 numbers could still get at least 50 times worse mind you that is conservative as we have already documented that not everyone who gets covid-19 gets long term immunity.

    The data on covid-19 says we cannot afford to play it down its way too dangerous.

    The one of big things is how many illnesses covid-19 disease control is showing most likely caused by viruses we have been mostly ignoring this could be the long term silver lining from covid-19 better long term health by properly dealing with virus caused illnesses instead of ignoring them.

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  • marathone
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    @oiaohm I assume you have some citations to back up your assertions?

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  • oiaohm
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    Originally posted by marathone View Post
    Spanish flu numbers of old did not count asymptomatic and did not have the advanced treatments we have either. Once you correct for the differences scary point is Covid-19 is worse than Spanish flu. 3 percent death rate in Australia from covid-19 is everyone getting proper treatment. There is a horrible part is IC-units treatments in Australia for Covid-19 have been 99% ineffective at preventing death. The live saving for covid-19 is your general modern hospital treatments that did not exist 1918 of course once hospitals run out of the beds and means to use modern treatment methods death rate will just go up.

    Big problem with Spanish Flu that serous-ally did not help its death rate as well was Misdiagnosis so giving person with flu anti bacterial/fungal drugs that in fact weaken immune system against the illness. Also "The majority of deaths were from bacterial pneumonia" this is commonly overlooked when people reference the Spanish Flu. Deaths to Covid-19 are the direct virus damage. We have controlled the secondary infection problem this time around. So 10 percent death Spanish Flu is really 3 percent or lower direct virus caused death with secondary infection explaining the other 7 percent.

    Covid-19 is pandemic class flu for the danger. If a secondary bacterial pneumonia strain that works with Covid-19 turns up death rates could over night sky rocket. Basically all the people who get hospitalised now for Covid-19 with a strong secondary bacterial pneumonia on top are dead and a percentage who only get minor symptoms of covid-19 and can stay home are also dead.

    Spanish Flu was a perfect storm of two diseases infections at once being bacterial and a virus infections working in combination.

    Yes all that over prescribing of anti-biotic could mean we could have a treatment resistant bacterial pneumonia could turn up in combination to Covid-19 and make a huge mess.

    There are very good reasons get Covid-19 under control if you don't you are risking what happened in the Spanish Flu where at a particular point get get massively worse because a companion bacterial infection turns up.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by kuco View Post

    People still don't understand the main problem of COVID19: Yes, it's treatable, that's why the death rates are low. BUT in a considerable amount of cases you WILL need IC-equipment and IC-personel to keep people alive. Otherwise people will suffocate.

    I've seen it happening. Death rates skyrocket once the IC-units are overfilled. Not to mention the people who die of heart attacks and strokes and so one, when there's no IC-treatment available to them.

    The flue does not suffocate people. The flue does not overfill IC-units. We need the lockdowns to keep the death rates as "low" as they are.

    It does if you keep the one on the fireplace closed and the house fills with CO2. Flu and flue mean too...nope...to...whoops...two, there we go, two totally different things.

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  • Mez'
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    Originally posted by Danielsan View Post
    In a period where computers and laptops are sold more than ever I would say the problem with those small companies that sell preinstalled Linux is the actually the fact that big companies like Dell and Lenovo are selling preinstalled computer with Linux too, the others are offering tailored experience with their own OS like Purism and S76...

    Anyway it is a shame...
    I don't think it's a reason good enough. Tuxedo and System76 manage (at least it seems like it). But for us users to include these brands when being in the purchase search process, we need at least to be aware of their existence. That's where ZaReason eventually failed over time from my point of view.

    Plus, indeed with Tuxedo I can pick an ISO BE azerty keyboard with the laptop. That tailored experience is something that can influence favorably a purchase decision.

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  • Mez'
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post

    It's interesting that so many people here have never heard of them. It would seem that people like us would be the target audience - most of us Phoronix readers spend money on hardware specifically for Linux. If we've never heard of them, then their promotion strategy must have been missing its mark, if they even had a strategy.
    If you were already using Linux around 2005-2010, there's a good chance you would have heard of them. Any search for pre-installed systems would lead you to them amongst a couple of others. And the few linux website would mention them once in a while.
    But they got very discrete in the last 10 years. These days, you need some buzz going on on the web to increase your unaided brand awareness (especially with your target audience). They didn't work on that while brands such as System76 or Tuxedo did and we would see some announcements from them circulating, increasing brand awareness. As a consequence for ZaReason, in the last few years nobody had that brand in mind anymore when looking for a new desktop or laptop. That made all the difference.
    Last edited by Mez'; 07 December 2020, 05:40 AM.

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