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  • geearf
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Oh goodie - maybe I'll get to use it 5 years from now when I get my next phone.

    For all the wailing about how people wish desktop GNU/Linux was more like Android, Android's inability to easily update on devices or to install with one image across devices really really really sucks. In fact, I think it would be fair to say that desktop GNU/Linux will be better off if it's never anything at all like Android.
    Can't you use a GSI on almost any phone that supports Treble (officially or not)?

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  • gregzeng
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    Many impatient novices, it seems. They wish that air-cooled cars all had automatic transmissions. They do not understand open source coding, such as Android, Chromium & Chromium OS.
    Even now, the current Android etc technology is very rapidly advancing. Fluid cooling is coming. Instead of old Lithium ion power, the alternatives have yet to reach the factories. Grumblers here do not realize that the software cannot exceed the hardware limits.
    Innovators in software & operating systems usually are tested & tried by third parties, not the hardware manufacturers. Many hardware creators now use specialist, independent software specialists, rather than in-house development.
    In this regard, open source operating systems are better than closed source, such as Microsoft & Apple. Open source allows & encourages many innovations, many experiments & very many contributors. This explains why Microsoft financially & manpower "invests" in open source manufacturing & distribution.
    Each edition of Android etc learns from the trials, experiments & failures in the real world. Some 3rd party innovators are worth incorporating into the main system, others rejected.
    Each "new" version of Android etc can be imitated by the older versions. For example, smart keyboards etc can be "emulated" by using the original third party product, before it was imitated into the newest version. Brand & status conscious names often have amazing, unique spam and gimmicks. There are independent system designers who can release in full or part, modified versions of these bloated in-house products. Status conscious novices are not expected to know this.
    Unknown to these grumblers, Android 11, like Android 10, will be released weeks before the official Google products are available. Some releases will be released as "Final", even though they really are beta versions. Like the very first release of every new factory product, these will have known & unknown imperfections. Some Made-In-China brands will release hardware, complete with the latest Android, weeks before Google etc release their products.
    If ever this planet develops any International Standards Organization with real responsibilities, it might determine what ALPHA & BETA releases are. Are there any responsible engineers anywhere who can finally set a standard on these terms?
    ALPHA perhaps has undecided features, easily added or removed. In-house teams decide this. The BETA releases are feature-locked. If the debugging is unable to reach a suitable standard for any feature, this feature may be removed. All BETAS are expected to be buggy, with poor optimizations, and inbuilt bug-detection-recording properties. Sometimes these BETA versions might be able to be turned into FINAL RELEASE standard.
    Like the source code published every few days by The Linux Foundation, the FINAL RELEASE will be continually re-released with further bug fixes & better optimizations. Simultaneously the other future versions of the next ALPHA & BETA release will be prepared, as announced here in the OP, "Android-11".
    These Android-11 releases are chances for the other operating system creators to release their versions of their next Android-11. Third party application creators (eg "Open Camera") can prepare their products for this new system.
    Google etc are on the very frontiers of governance innovation. Management academics here will use these press releases etc as evidence as to how & when Homo Sapiens Sapiens (HSS) rescued itself from closing this anthropocene. Management technologies, like Unix-system design, is very primitive, compared to how it will be in a few years.

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Oh goodie - maybe I'll get to use it 5 years from now when I get my next phone.

    For all the wailing about how people wish desktop GNU/Linux was more like Android, Android's inability to easily update on devices or to install with one image across devices really really really sucks. In fact, I think it would be fair to say that desktop GNU/Linux will be better off if it's never anything at all like Android.
    To be fair, it's 2 years or so that Android does not have any new real feature that matters, and most apps work on most phones.

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  • elatllat
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    I used CyanogenMod/LineageOS on my Samsung S3 and it was so much better then Samsung's complete disinterest in software. Since then Google mandated that in order to ship a phone with the Play Store app vendors are required to implement modularity so the operating system can be upgraded separately of the drivers and kernel. So now that there are generic cross-device Builds on XDA the barriers to upgrading are locked bootloaders and losing special features like multi camera tricks...the 3 years Google support is short but it's a minimum, I'm hoping for 6... hoping that ridiculously cheap new iPhone pressures Google into delivering more than offered.

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by Marco-GG View Post
    You can have the playstore with LineageOS. The only requirements is that you must install gapps before first boot (i.e. when installing the os image in the bootloader)
    i just failed to install it. had one non-official rom with playstore for google pixel 1 32gb and there was no working one for the google pixel 1 XL 32gb so i had to install lineageOS16 instead of 17.1 and no working playstore.

    i maybe fix this later. but this situation is a complete disaster in my point of view old pixel phones work perfect technically but the end of the software update policty of google is a disaster.

    and i ask why? why they can't just sell paid updates ? i pay them for updates no problem lets say 5-10€ for security update and 20-30€ for a big jump from andorid 10 to 11...

    but no they do not want to bring you paid updates because they are really stupid.
    Last edited by Qaridarium; 06 May 2020, 09:08 PM.

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  • Marco-GG
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    by this you are forced to root it and make LineageOS 17.1 on the phone but it is not real solution because first of all it is really a little bit of work doing so also LineageOS also does not get real security patches and many ROMS are broken and have no google playstore and you have to use non-official roms to get playstore. also vanilla andorid 10 and lineageos who knows why have many bugs and does not work as well as stock andorid 10 on the phone.
    You can have the playstore with LineageOS. The only requirements is that you must install gapps before first boot (i.e. when installing the os image in the bootloader)

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Oh goodie - maybe I'll get to use it 5 years from now when I get my next phone.
    For all the wailing about how people wish desktop GNU/Linux was more like Android, Android's inability to easily update on devices or to install with one image across devices really really really sucks. In fact, I think it would be fair to say that desktop GNU/Linux will be better off if it's never anything at all like Android.
    you are so right... bought a google pixel 3a last week. sure it is nice but the update politics is very stupid.

    you get 2-3 years of updates from google and my last google pixel 1 with 32gb storage still was perfect fine only problem was it does not get any security updates from the october 2019... ....

    by this you are forced to root it and make LineageOS 17.1 on the phone but it is not real solution because first of all it is really a little bit of work doing so also LineageOS also does not get real security patches and many ROMS are broken and have no google playstore and you have to use non-official roms to get playstore. also vanilla andorid 10 and lineageos who knows why have many bugs and does not work as well as stock andorid 10 on the phone.

    this all makes it a mess. you just are forced to put perfect working hardware into the recycling bin and buy a new phone from google.

    also all other brands are much worst on this field than google pixel phones. so in reality you can only buy google pixel phones.

    apple is also no option because if you buy iphone you need so much money for all kind of stuff that you can just shot yourself in the head with a 9mm gun.

    it would be much better if normal linux conquer the smartphone and bring real software and security fix updates like we know it from fedora or debian,

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  • tildearrow
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    I thought HDMI was low-latency already?...

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  • phoenk
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
    Oh goodie - maybe I'll get to use it 5 years from now when I get my next phone.

    For all the wailing about how people wish desktop GNU/Linux was more like Android, Android's inability to easily update on devices or to install with one image across devices really really really sucks. In fact, I think it would be fair to say that desktop GNU/Linux will be better off if it's never anything at all like Android.
    I also agree with the sentiment to an extent. We should give Google credit here, they have made it so you can actually install one image on devices now. It is the manufacturers/carriers not choosing to update their software that is holding devices back.

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  • grigi
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    I agree with your sentiment there.

    Most Android devices age badly because they don't get updates. Or if they do, the updates make things worse.
    I pretty much HAVE to run a custom ROM to get any lifetime out of my devices.

    Then you realise that google goes out of their way to gimp anything they didn't personally vet. And an un-vetted device loses access to many applications. They literally just disappear from the Play store.

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