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Sailfish OS 3.3 "Rokua" Released With Many Improvements For This Mobile Linux OS
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Originally posted by Morty View PostAccording to various sources and numbers found on the net, I think you are correct.
This I don't think is correct. Both based on observation and from a technical perspective.
First, I don't think the tablet market is losing share, even it clearly shows decline in sales.
(Due to the Corona situation and mandatory home schooling, I think we will see a short increase in sales for February/April.)
It basically boils down to that nothing new and interesting is happening in the tablet space, people keep their devices far longer than their cell phones. There is nothing to justify changing the device every 1 to 2 years. A 5 year old tablet is still quite usable. People spend the money upgrading their phones, but continue to use the old tablet as it works ok. The market is more or less saturated, the ones with need of a tablet, already have one.IDC examines consumer markets by devices, applications, networks, and services to provide complete solutions for succeeding in these expanding markets.
If not for Apple's corporate sales it would have been worse.
Overall tablet share is 3.84%.
This article corroborates what you were saying about people holding on to them longer.
https://www.ejectejecteject.com/stat...-and-analysis/
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Originally posted by Vistaus View PostI know all of that, I was part of the Sailfish community back then. So you don't have to defend them, I wasn't going to complain at all. Like I said: I was part of the community, so I know it wasn't a scam and I know how everything went down.
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Originally posted by L_A_G View Post
Maybe, but not everyone knows what actually happened and there's still people going around insisting that they got scammed by Jolla.
But what I would consider more Scamy was their lie about opensourcing stuff, it was never any priority and in my view also never their true intention to do so, of course you can't proof intentions, but actions tell more than words.
They played people, if they had clear intentions that would have said within 2 months or 2 years we get that done, I don't think that if you wont do it in 2 months you will do it never, because it's clear that you just do it against your will in the first place, if you think it's the right thing to do and a good business decision you don't need 2 years to it but you could at least give that date, and maybe because of things fail with it. But if you say "we will do that" and than come 10 yeras later and say "that takes time" or something you got to be kidding me. You knew not giving out all the code will make you omre interesting for a evil company buy you out, and that is what happend.
You miss out on hundrets if not thousends of community patches the system would have newest gcc suport since years if it would be opensource you are willing to pay that price so it has a high importance to you that you make sure that it's BY INTENTION not opensource. And that means that you lied, you never had the intention to opensource it. So now librem does the real job together with the opensource community and to some degree also the Pinephone community bring out a real opensource phone not only the software but also the hardware which is nessary anyway because a opensource OS alone would not be enough with the normal smartphone hardware.
And that makes it very hard to justify products from them because well it's basically as much as a different android launcher total survalence heck even worse than lineageos because they are at least fully opensource. Why would somebody want to switch from a opensource os like android (lineageos) to a proprietary one?
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Originally posted by andrewlinux View Post
I love the idea and have read about several times over the last few years but those old packages do sound annoying. How did they get to version 3.3 without a decent browser? People just avoid the native browser? What do you use?
Firefox (fennec).
Opera for android
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Originally posted by Vistaus View PostMaybe, but you were specifically addressing me, which is why I replied the way I did.
Originally posted by blackiwid View Post...
This is something some of the more dishonest open source absolutists keep going on about. They all know about why Jolla can't just fully open source their codebase unilaterally as they don't fully own it themselves, as it's part owned by the people who gave them the funds to develop it in the first place, and then go on about how they're lying con artists while deliberately leaving this out. We're talking Fox "News" levels of dishonesty and maliciousness here and this level of dishonesty honestly shouldn't even warrant a reply.
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Originally posted by L_A_G View Post
Ummm... They've repeatedly said that if they fully owned their codebase themselves they would open source it in a heartbeat and that the blocker for that has been that the co-owners of the codebase. That they can't just open source it unilaterally as they simply aren't legally allowed to do that and if they did, would obviously get shut down by their investors/owners and get sued personally some pretty serious breach of contract and intellectual property rights violations.
Also nobody forced them to create they business based on software that they have no control over, they did that so it's their fault, too.
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Originally posted by blackiwid View Post...
The reality is that money doesn't grow on trees and that everything that companies make needs to be funded somehow. This is the reason why most code that gets written is still proprietary even when it's built on top of open source frameworks or open APIs. It doesn't matter what the laa-laa land that exists between your ears says, this is just how things work out here in the real world.
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