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Originally posted by andyprough View Post
I'm not a bash2bash reader or contributor. Never even been to the site, or whatever it is.Last edited by RahulSundaram; 24 April 2020, 07:38 PM.
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Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
Yeah, Linux works great on my 2018 ThinkPad and while Lenovo gives me BIOS updates in ISO format, they only offer exe files for updating the SSD. I wish they'd let me update my SSD too on Linux.
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Originally posted by AdamW View Post
No, we haven't. Red Hat is still a separately incorporated company, which is wholly-owned by IBM. It's not a business unit of IBM.
This may sound like nitpicking, but it really isn't. It has real legal consequences. It also implies a lot about how the parent entity wants the relationship to work. A wholly-owned subsidiary is a thing you want to broadly make sense as an independent entity (could be for many different reasons - one obvious one is to retain the option of selling it on, though that's not really why IBM is doing it here). If you don't want that, you merge the company directly into the parent company's operations, which IBM has *not* done with Red Hat. Of course RH isn't literally entirely independent of IBM, but at present, but the difference between a wholly-owned subsidiary and a "business unit" is not insignificant. See https://smallbusiness.chron.com/diff...nit-25192.html and https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-di...-business-unit .
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
You seem confused. I am quoting the origin of the same conversation you are right now in ie) OP of the same thread in this post in this site to give you more context since you seem to have missed that. You also apparently are missing the distinctions on how Red Hat and IBM is legally structured
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Originally posted by andyprough View Post
No confusion - I was clarifying to you that the source of my question is not something I've read from whatever website or publication or whatever you quoted from. I was questioning one very small distinction made in a comment earlier in the thread.
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Originally posted by andyprough View Post
Then you may want to update your wikipedia page. I'm assuming you or someone you know may have some influence over that. If not, my apologies
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While not a Fedora fan, this is great news. I would love to see in my lifetime a Thinkpad with a BSD option. OpenBSD works best on Thinkpads and I've read good things about FreeBSD on them as well. Would love to see that option as a pre-install option.
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Originally posted by AdamW View Post
Hi, Quality Assurance here!
Here's the secret:
operating system installers are *hard*. Especially the partitioning.
Okay, that's it, that's the whole secret. Partitioning is hard. There are a bazillion different ways you can do it, and everyone wants theirs in the installer. And remember Fedora supports multiple arches all with their own Special Special Requirements for how the disk should be laid out. It's a giant pain in the ass. At this point I'm generally convinced it is not a thing that it's actually possible to do *well*. This is why pre-installs matter, after all.
The installer gets past QA because it meets the QA requirements. Silverblue isn't in any of those because it isn't a release-blocking edition.
If you are a Certified Partitioning Expert(tm) and just want to do a certain specific layout, you can pre-create that layout with any tools you want, and then in custom partitioning or "advanced custom" partitioning (blivet-gui) just assign the mount points. That is intended to work.
But that's that part that I was talking about being slow and clunky. I'm wondering if that is, at least at the time, because Silverblue didn't ship with all of AMDGPU (which made me wonder if y'all test more with Nvidia and Intel GPUs) and if that would have effected its installer to give me the bad experience I'm talking about. Also, just realized I never actually tried that part of the installer on the regular Fedora edition.
And, honestly, I am on record very loudly as thinking that having both custom and "advanced custom" is dumb. I got outvoted, because QA doesn't have all the votes. If we did, no-one would be allowed to change anything. Ever.
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Of course we will reinstall ourselves because the default installation could be not adapted to our need. But it's very nice to avoid Windows and a proof that Fedora will works is a serious alternative. I use only ThinkPad from years and it works great
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