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  • #21
    Originally posted by torsionbar28 View Post
    All true, but that's not the point. Having Linux as a preinstalled option demonstrates to a potential buyer that the hardware will all work under Linux. This is especially important in the laptop world, where Linux support is a little more hit-or-miss particularly on brand new hardware.

    Not to mention avoiding the Microsoft tax. I don't like being forced to pay for something I have no intention of ever using. Do you?

    Lastly, having Linux as a preinstalled option typically also means that BIOS and firmware updates will be installable under Linux. I've run into more than a few different computers over the years, where the vendor ONLY provides a Windows .exe file for updating the firmware. With the rise of SSD's, this is even more important, as most SSD products see numerous FW updates over their life. For example, Kingston provides only a Windows app for SSD firmware, while intel has their full SSD toolbox on Linux. These are the kinds of things a Linux user must take into consideration when buying a new machine.
    Yeah, Linux works great on my 2018 ThinkPad and while Lenovo gives me BIOS updates in ISO format, they only offer exe files for updating the SSD. I wish they'd let me update my SSD too on Linux.

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    • #22
      Will there be AMD options?

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      • #23
        Originally posted by nils_ View Post
        Always great to hear though I would prefer a notebook shipped without anything pre-installed since I'm going to wipe it anyways.
        if nothing is preinstalled then most of hardware can be broken and still all shipped functionality works. what use will you have for broken notebook?

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        • #24
          Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
          To be honest, no sane person who values his privacy is going to leave a preinstalled os intact. The first thing you do, is remove everything entirely and install from your own safe image
          i wonder how many such "you" people among lenovo customers? one per million?

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          • #25
            Originally posted by pal666 View Post
            i wonder how many such "you" people among lenovo customers? one per million?
            Honestly I think there is many! Ever heard of a "corporate install"...

            Now I am not saying these things are good. Usually they consist of a ratty Windows image that the IT admins have created (or more likely "evolved" over time) full of bugs and driver / software incompatibilities. And the worst thing is that they install this image on every machine regardless of hardware. It just hurts XD

            I would almost prefer the preinstalled (potentially insecure) image over that!

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            • #26
              Originally posted by fuzz View Post
              Will there be AMD options?
              I am not entitled to make Lenovo product announcements, but it is certainly something we brought up with them as something we would like to see.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by fuzz View Post
                Will there be AMD options?
                I have no clue about the Fedora version, but at least I have seen there are announcements regarding the forthcoming Ryzen 4000 Thinkpad options of Levovo:
                https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/pr...iness-freedom/
                https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020...yzen-pro-4000/
                https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo....454869.0.html

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by ChristianSchaller View Post
                  This is just nonsense. IBM was not involved here at all.
                  The idea that not a single person at IBM/RedHat had a single word to say with anyone at IBM-spinoff Lenovo regarding the placement of an IBM/RedHat sponsored distro onto a Lenovo consumer laptop stretches credulity.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
                    The idea that not a single person at IBM/RedHat had a single word to say with anyone at IBM-spinoff Lenovo regarding the placement of an IBM/RedHat sponsored distro onto a Lenovo consumer laptop stretches credulity.
                    IBM and Red Hat still function very independently from eachother.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by ChristianSchaller View Post

                      I think the important part to remember for experienced users like yourself is that having to install and support your own OS is a barrier to adoption for a lot of potential Linux users and even if you will re-install yourself Lenovo doing this means they will work to ensure there are upstream drivers for all parts of their hardware so no matter what you run it makes things work better.
                      I think a lot of Linux or Unix DIY hands forget about something incredibly important to many people: contractual technical support. With Lenovo doing this consumer Linux users won't be getting blown off if they call the Lenovo tech support if they aren't using Windows. I'm definitely agreeing with you here.

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