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Originally posted by creative View PostThe ips stuff straight away looks nice, sharp, colorful and luminous out of the box but something about it makes my eyes strain badly. There is just something more organic about twisted nematic.
A quick search turned up a couple threads on Reddit and such... maybe that was you?
I found another post by someone who claims neither IPS nor TN worked for them. Their solution was in the form of a VA monitor. Of course, we don't know who that poster is... they could have other motives.
The only issue I've had with LCDs is just that I'm sensitive to their brightness. Pretty much the first thing I do is turn down the contrast.
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Just for your information the Silver version is now at $249, I decided to buy it because my old HP-635 is burning up cause the virtual class of my son with Zoom, even at $250 you will never find a Ryzen laptop that fits Linux so good!
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All my displays except my phone have the eyecare stuff built into them but as far as eye strain? TN wins. The ips stuff straight away looks nice, sharp, colorful and luminous out of the box but something about it makes my eyes strain badly. There is just something more organic about twisted nematic.Last edited by creative; 13 March 2020, 04:59 PM.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostWorse heatsink in one of the two? You would need to look at previous benchmarks and see if they keep the same discrepancy to confirm or deny this theory.
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostI assume that he has enough data to back up the statement already, and no, if temperatures rise and clock speeds a re lowered that's throttling and the laptop is a lie, there is no need to sugarcoat it or leave it to the reader.
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostWTF is this? Also what does the random apples and oranges comparison with your old laptop add?
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostAn i7 U performs nearly the same as the i3 U of the same generation and is basically a mobile i3. There is really no sane reason to buy the i7 U over the i3 U of the same generation.
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostMeanwhile, people actually needing a mobile i7 are fucked because 99.999% of laptops use the U variant.
Ice Lake is supposed to be a significant step forwarder in perf/W. Anandtech showed that even with a 17% smaller battery than its predecessors, it consistently demonstrated longer runtime on a consistent workload.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15092...-lake-cometh/6
I shouldn't have to explain that more perf/W, with an equivalent (if anemic) thermal solution = more performance. The only way you get worse performance is if the thermal solution is downgraded by even more than the CPU's power-efficiency improved.
Anyway, the next page shows their power & thermal analysis, with the laptop (I think a higher-end model than Michael's) sustaining 25 W power draw, indefinitely. This shows a willingness by Dell to juice the CPU until it hits hard throttling - not back off early, as you'd previously claimed.Last edited by coder; 06 March 2020, 11:27 PM.
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Originally posted by coder View PostYou're ignoring the part where two Dell laptops, in the same power and performance class, have a performance disparity of more than 2x (from 202.4% to 210.2%) of what they should.
If they're both impacted by thermal throttling, then why the huge discrepancy between them?
No, he shouldn't say that, because that's too simplistic, and he wouldn't say that, because it sounds too opinionated. What he should do is post a graph of their clock speeds and temperatures, and let readers decide for themselves.
I have a Skylake U-series laptop and I'm happy with it.
I'm not saying you should buy a laptop with a mobile i7 when you don't need it. I'm saying that an i7 U adds 250$ to the price without actually providing much more than a i7 sticker. An i7 U performs nearly the same as the i3 U of the same generation and is basically a mobile i3. There is really no sane reason to buy the i7 U over the i3 U of the same generation.
Meanwhile, people actually needing a mobile i7 are fucked because 99.999% of laptops use the U variant.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostYou can put a good name in the spec sheet even if in practice this is NOT going to act like one.
I think you're just arguing out of boredom or something, rather than thinking seriously about the magnitude of the performance discrepancy and the likelihood of deeper or additional problems.
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostAs he said in a post above, he knows those two laptops are very prone to thermal throttling,
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostWhile the fact that these laptops are a lie should be stated clearly every time there is a benchmark, they are "working as intended" so it's still a good thing to benchmark them as a "real life specimen" from the field.
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostIt's the same general concept of always using the i7 xxxU that are the low-power parts that suck balls if compared to a normal mobile part
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Originally posted by Cape View PostInflation has nothing to do with living standard or competitiveness of a country. The only problem with inflation is if you are a foreign investor or if you like to keep your money under the bed.
Also mafia and corruption are meme. We had both but none have ever been a big problem.
Sure, we have heavy taxation and bureaucratizanion. But that's because of fuckin EU imposing a nonsensical budget! Tax evasion is actually lower than Germany!!
You kids need to fucking study modern history and not just parrot bs they feed you.
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Originally posted by Brutalix View Post
I believe I am not mixing the different names. EU is based on the EEC. The inner market, though heavily expanded and revised are based on the EEC.
Timeline of major events in EU history. How the EU has developed over the decades. Visionary men and women who inspired the creation of the modern-day EU.
EEC - EC - EU.
And claiming that Italy was great in the 80's. With 21 % inflation?.... And claiming that you had better living standards than West-Germany. Perhaps northern italy, not
southern. Your corruption and mafia is legendary, lowest birth rate in Europe, failed implementation of politics by overbureaucratizing every govermental department is what I believe is Italy's biggest problem. And including one major obstacle is too high taxes for the middle class, and too low on the top 1%. Leading to tax evasion, failed govermental budgets, inflation etc. . The most effective prime minister you had was Monti.
Kind regards from an ignorant non-eu member european.
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Also mafia and corruption are meme. We had both but none have ever been a big problem.
Sure, we have heavy taxation and bureaucratizanion. But that's because of fuckin EU imposing a nonsensical budget! Tax evasion is actually lower than Germany!!
Monti is actually the WORST prime minister ever: he's the one who expanded our national debt and shrank our GDP the most! Please, cut the bullshit! It's our life at stake! Not your opinions!
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Originally posted by coder View PostI presume he didn't run these benchmarks on battery, so that should eliminate the bulk of the power management from the picture (except to the extent it's used as a proxy for thermal management).
You can put a good name in the spec sheet even if in practice this is NOT going to act like one.
In Michael's two build performance benchmarks of these exact same models,
Afaik in the case of Apple the i9 was found to actually have a similar performance to the i7 due to this reason. While also reaching new record temperatures above 100 celsius or something.
If something like that happened, then his benchmarks are invalid and he should fix his laptop.
While the fact that these laptops are a lie should be stated clearly every time there is a benchmark, they are "working as intended" so it's still a good thing to benchmark them as a "real life specimen" from the field.
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