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  • #51
    Originally posted by Brutalix View Post

    Italy joined EU in 1958....

    B.

    But I agree, back to linux discussion.
    The European Union (EU) did not exist until November 1st, 1993.

    I think you are thinking of the European Economic Community (EEC), founded March 25th, 1957 by the treaty of Rome, with members trickling in over the next couple of decades. While the EU was founded by the treaty of Maastricht, the two organisations are not the same thing. If you want to go back a little further, the treaty which got the ball rolling (so to speak) was the treaty of Paris, 1951, with the European Coal and Steel Community.

    ...wow, my history lessons must have stuck better than I thought. The only thing I had to look up was the ECSC date...

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Brutalix View Post

      Hm... you got to be American. Most young (<45 y) Europeans are in favor of EU. It's giving working people a lot of opportunities, it's easier to get medical help outside your own country. etc etc... any argument I bring will not sway/ educate you anyway so why bother.

      Kind regards
      Brut.
      Younger Europeans have no concept of "national identity" ... something that has been slowly stamped out by the formation of the EU.

      What most EU supporters don't realize is that they are on a road to a single "manufactured national identity". Whatever their countries were before, they simply become some localized faction within the overall structure of the EU. As long as the factions don't develop a sense of independent identity, then the EU concept works.

      Why?

      Because it takes wars to forge a true national identity for a collection of disparate groups. There are examples in history, some even within the borders of the EU itself, unless that history has been quietly rewritten, as in George Orwell's 1984, within the confines of the EU.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Brutalix View Post

        Italy joined EU in 1958....

        B.

        But I agree, back to linux discussion.
        You are mixing the European Union (also called 4th Reich) with the European Economic Community.

        Now let's really get back to leenux pls.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Cape View Post

          You are mixing the European Union (also called 4th Reich) with the European Economic Community.

          Now let's really get back to leenux pls.
          First I would love to get that linux laptop, but its very difficult to get hold of here in Europe, have anyone seen this for sale over in Europe?


          To the EU discussion.

          I believe I am not mixing the different names. EU is based on the EEC. The inner market, though heavily expanded and revised are based on the EEC.

          https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...y_en#1980-1989

          EEC - EC - EU.

          And claiming that Italy was great in the 80's. With 21 % inflation?.... And claiming that you had better living standards than West-Germany. Perhaps northern italy, not
          southern. Your corruption and mafia is legendary, lowest birth rate in Europe, failed implementation of politics by overbureaucratizing every govermental department is what I believe is Italy's biggest problem. And including one major obstacle is too high taxes for the middle class, and too low on the top 1%. Leading to tax evasion, failed govermental budgets, inflation etc. . The most effective prime minister you had was Monti.

          Kind regards from an ignorant non-eu member european.
          B.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
            It's been like that for years, but laptop manufacturers still crammed huge (1-2TB usually) internal hard drives in a craptop or trashbook as a way to attract customers.
            When instead they should have pushed people to be rely on an external drive for their stuff as these laptops fail reliably in 3-4 years of use and most people don't have the basic skill (and know what a sata-usb adapter even is) to actually take out the drive out of the dead junk their laptop became to save their data.

            That would have costed a pretty penny for this price range. Dual sockets are starting to be rarer in 800$ price range laptops too.
            I don't believe the actual engineering and BOM cost to add a second ram socket would add much to the price of any laptop. Unfortunately ANY added cost could turn the average Walmart consumer to a competing model because they wouldn't know the value proposition difference. Sad but true, gotta pay $$$ for products without shaved corners.

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            • #56
              Wow, what the heck is going on with the Kernel Compilation & Build2 benchmarks? There's no way this 2-core Zen1+ laptop should basically equal a 4-core 8-thread Ice Lake! Could an i7 laptop possibly be using only a single memory channel?

              Please put aside any AMD partisanship and think logically.
              Last edited by coder; 03-01-2020, 02:23 PM.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by HenryM View Post
                I love how it's the Ice Lake that overheats.
                Where is that shown?

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                • #58
                  Wow, looks like we got some WWIII up in this thread!

                  Originally posted by Cape View Post
                  Europe DESTROYED our economy. Several generations have now seen their job, house, children and ultimately future disappear, in favor of Germany and the northern countries.
                  Beware of populist politicians and their simplistic explanations. In the long run, they are nearly always bad news. Examples abound.

                  Also, beware of confirmation bias. Scientists long ago figured out that the best way to test a theory is to try (really hard) to disprove it. The same applies to economics or any other theory.

                  Although you can't easily conduct controlled economics experiments, on a large scale, there are massive amounts of data from which some reasonably robust conclusions can be drawn. This is what a lot of economists do, nowadays. So, your best resource in trying to diagnose and address systemic problems would be to look to the academic literature (or at least reading what leading economists are writing for broader audiences).

                  I don't really have a stake in this issue, other than my concerns over the rise of populism. I'm on a different continent, and we have our own problems.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by coder View Post
                    Wow, what the heck is going on with the Kernel Compilation & Build2 benchmarks? There's no way this 2-core Zen1+ laptop should basically equal a 4-core 8-thread Ice Lake! Could an i7 laptop possibly be using only a single memory channel?
                    it all comes down to how good is the heatsink, as the i7 WILL limit itself well before temperature rises because the OEM has set the performance tables to do so.

                    Also it's entirely possible to have i7 laptops with a single RAM slot too (I have seen enough), especially Lenovo, that's a ghetto way of product segmentation.
                    (the non-ghetto way of product segmentation is to have BIOS restrictions like HP does, the hardware can support 32GB fine, but if you install more than the "allowed" amount of RAM in the laptop it will just "nope!" you and refuse to boot. This is not related to using "hp-approved" RAM as you are free to use any RAM you want, the limitation is on size)

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                      it all comes down to how good is the heatsink, as the i7 WILL limit itself well before temperature rises because the OEM has set the performance tables to do so.

                      Also it's entirely possible to have i7 laptops with a single RAM slot too (I have seen enough),
                      Michael is the temperature data logged, anywhere? What about dmiinfo, so we can see how many DIMMs it's using and their speeds?

                      You've got to admit, those build benchmark results were very weird - the Ice Lake i7 got smoked even by a Coffee Lake i5! Both Dells!

                      Once we've ruled out the obvious culprits, another thing to consider is whether it's a kernel revision affected by this bug:

                      https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...rallel-Job-Opt

                      ...although I thought that was mainly affecting much higher-core-count CPUs.
                      Last edited by coder; 03-01-2020, 08:53 PM.

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