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An Interview With Zlatan Todoric, Open-Source Developer & Former Purism CTO

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  • #31
    Purism marketing was "pure" garbage.
    - The "pure" thingy all around is silly.
    - obfuscated information (did not admit the blobs)
    - very shy on the specs details - you have to find the right link.
    - GTK/Gnome. Seriously?
    - wanted to support any distro rather than focusing on one thing. You know: "doing one thing and doing it well"
    - ludicrous price but would be ok if honest about the progression.

    Oh, Killer switch is a dumb idea. If you kill switch, your legit net application won't work too.

    PinePhone:
    - transparency
    - Qt
    - reasonable price tag
    - devkit/proto were available almost at the same time than the phone announcement. They're walking the talk.

    Purism was treating community like kids.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by AccurateVictory View Post
      - wanted to support any distro rather than focusing on one thing. You know: "doing one thing and doing it well"
      Regarding that, I'm not sure how they treated other communities, but they didn't treat UBports well. UBports only recently got a devkit, and they aren't going to get an early batch phone. They are only going to get a phone "sometime in 2020". So Purism's promise that they want to support all kinds of Linux phone software projects wasn't really sincere at least in this case.

      I guess it makes sense for Purism: they want to promote PureOS and they want people to use that and not UBports. UBports is the biggest threat as it is quite mature. I mean, it's basically fine as a strategy, but it's always the same with Purism: they should have clearly said so!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by King Mucus View Post
        He recommended the Pinephone. Will it have its baseband separated from the CPU and be able to deliver the same privacy/security promises made by the Purism crowd?

        It would be nice if someone could also state by when they are planning to finish designing that Pinephone, and even start shipping it.
        Please read https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/just an internet search away. The modem part is a Quectel EG-25G so I assume its connected via USB to the main SoC. There are HW switches mentioned but I cannot recall now if this is already in the first iteration. So no, it probably does not have all those assertions that Purism made so far. But it´s still a major step towards open hardware.

        That said, PinePhone design is ready. The shipment will start however when the software is finished. Quote: I dare say, unless something really unexpected happens – we will likely have the PinePhone ready before the end of this year. As we’ve said numerous times, this does not mean that we will start selling PinePhones the day we get them from factory; we will wait for at least one fully functioning OS build prior to sales commencing.

        Further infos e.g. here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2403/pinephone - the current plan is that UBports will finished the port to the PinePhone also end of this year. Which means that sales may start in the first quarter 2020. The OS actually works already so that integration tests can be done: https://twitter.com/Mariogrip/status...26433374720013

        BR Florian

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        • #34
          Originally posted by AccurateVictory View Post
          - GTK/Gnome. Seriously?
          Dude why not also bring up systemd I am not sure they use it but if they use gnome chances are high they use Systemd. Just because you don't like GTK and love QT does not mean that 99% of the linux folks think the same ruffly 50% of them disagree with you and like gtk/gnome more. I would even argue that it's much more than 50% but I have no numbers to back that up. But I am pretty confident that as much people hate QT (it's ugly as hell) and love GTK/GNOME than the other way so to bring that up shows that you are not serious.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by blackiwid View Post

            Dude why not also bring up systemd I am not sure they use it but if they use gnome chances are high they use Systemd. Just because you don't like GTK and love QT does not mean that 99% of the linux folks think the same ruffly 50% of them disagree with you and like gtk/gnome more. I would even argue that it's much more than 50% but I have no numbers to back that up. But I am pretty confident that as much people hate QT (it's ugly as hell) and love GTK/GNOME than the other way so to bring that up shows that you are not serious.
            Problem is not Like/Hate gtk3 or qt5. the problem is that qt5 runs much better on lower end arm hardware due to it's superb GPU utilization so you simply will not get the same user experience using gtk3 on a phone. There is a reason why both jolla and canonical choose to go with qt for phones. Qt is the toolkit, how it looks is up to the developer.

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            • #36
              Some skepticism is good and healthy (hence my earlier question about any outsiders having recieved Aspen devices), but at the same time the company is not selling vapurware.

              We can all see their work within the Gnome community building their software. its not complete yet but it isnt vapourware and will allow great things to happen for GTK/Gnome.

              That gives me some confidence in that even if they bit off more than they can chew, they will get there as long as they keep at it.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by You- View Post
                1. Why not go for a Qualcomm chip? There was already upstream driver work, so less effort needed (and I am still not sure if the current GPU is properly hardware accelerated).
                It's hard to get Qualcomm to answer your calls when the projected sale of your device is on the low end. They're also not the most open source friendly SoC vendor, and a locked down baseband processor that controls the CPU is not a good situation for a "privacy friendly" device.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by You- View Post
                  Some skepticism is good and healthy (hence my earlier question about any outsiders having recieved Aspen devices), but at the same time the company is not selling vapurware.

                  We can all see their work within the Gnome community building their software. its not complete yet but it isnt vapourware and will allow great things to happen for GTK/Gnome.

                  That gives me some confidence in that even if they bit off more than they can chew, they will get there as long as they keep at it.
                  Is the Plasma thing done a phone app written and everything or did they for 10 years make nothing than marketing a nice looking website?

                  About speed I couldn't care less about graphics give me a external keyboard and a emacs fullscreen and I have everything I need. The phone ability is stupid anyway. Also they have "convergence" don't they? So a kde desktop on a pc would be useless to me... I was pretty happy with the speed of gnome 3 on a netbook back then, sure with more than 1gb ram but the librem has 3gb so more as enough for gnome.

                  No they had nothing to show of I think they started 2012 it took Librem to come out that they became panic and had to release anything. Else it would be to obvious that they are paperware.

                  but hey I always hear the hardware vendor like Pinephone does not matter you can install every os on a open phone why is that only true for pinephone but not for librem? I think you can install plasma mobile too. So what's your point? And yes the few people that spend so much money on such a product will be able to flash it.

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                  • #39
                    Pine Project and their fans seem to be like the Democrats, instead of just saying why they are better they have to say why "Trump" sucks instead and therefor weaken them self. How about concentrating advertising their own shit instead of saying the others suck therefor you must buy from us.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                      Pine Project and their fans seem to be like the Democrats, instead of just saying why they are better they have to say why "Trump" sucks instead and therefor weaken them self. How about concentrating advertising their own shit instead of saying the others suck therefor you must buy from us.
                      That's not my impression of the article or of the comments so far. Instead, I would say that Purism has wanted people to be talking about the Librem 5, and unfortunately, it has been giving people reasons to say bad things about the phone and the company. If things somehow change, I would expect people to be happy about that, even supporters of the PinePhone.

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