Purism is a software and product company. If you backed Purism, you really backed the software effort as much as the physical product. Based on their website, they seem to have dozens of professional engineers and a distributed operation. Their goal is to build a cohesive open source product.
Pine is a manufacturer management company. They manage suppliers and focus on delivering the cheapest hardware possible without considering basic design or legal items like licenses. If you take a look at the board "designs", they're not really designed so much as they slap together the ports on board. PinePhone is really a hack (A64 glued to a USB 2.0 modem) when compared to the Librem 5 with i.MX 8.
Throwing hardware at developers is the easiest thing in the world and cost next to nothing. An hour of professional software development is worth 10 dev boards. Please don't try to compare the two companies or products or open source support because there is nothing in common.
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Originally posted by Venemo View PostIt is based on Gnome, but they don't use Gnome Shell, so in theory their solution could possibly use less RAM than Gnome Shell. That being said I've personally never seen Gnome Shell consume that much RAM on my system.
Android on my system (without playstore) uses nearly 700mb, and k9-mail a very very simple mail program uses 92mb ram Wire uses 122mb. Conversation a jabber client 39mb. I am pretty sure non-java Linux can beat that even with gnome.
The whole libreoffice monstreus application only uses 150mb, a mail program will probably use 5-15mb instead of 92mb.Last edited by blackiwid; 06 September 2019, 01:01 PM.
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Originally posted by Danielsan View PostWhen they match otherwise you have to download another version of the same runtime...
No that is not how flatpak works. When you have two versions of the same runtime you don't in fact download two full copies of the same runtime. When you download the second version of a runtime you only download the differences to the first version of the runtime and only consume the disc space of the differences.
Flatpak is auto deduplicating due to using ostree.
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Originally posted by Danielsan View PostI am not pretty sure about Flatpak... I have not idea how space requires APK but I have installed 6 application with Flatpak and each of them requires almost 1GB of memory...
Code:$ flatpak list org.gimp.GIMP net.scribus.Scribus org.kde.krita org.freecadweb.FreeCAD io.atom.Atom $ du -chs /var/lib/flatpak/ 5.0G /var/lib/flatpak/ 5.0G total
You are kind of way off. Flatpak does not require all applications to bring down all the libraries. flatpak is auto deduplicating. Also you have used a flag with du that can cause a miss count on ostree style directories like flatpak uses. Ostree is using hardlinks so a du '-c' flag can in fact result in counting the space multi times over.
"du -hs" or "du -sh" is what you use on ostree directories if you want sanity the du -chs risks badly over reporting used. The du -chs figure is useful if you want to know how big the result will be if you do a straight copy but its not useful when you are wanting to see how much storage space is in fact being used on solutions using hardlinks.
Closer the applications are related to each other in libraries the less disc space they use.
1G is fairly much worse case with flatpak per application. The 6 applications you have chosen happen to have very little overlap but even so 5G would be high and would most likely because you have passed -c flag into du and got a incorrect report by basically making the deduplicated storage report the size if it was not deduplicated.
32GB of storage for applications you would expect to fit at least 16 applications using flatpak most likely a lot more. Why 16 is you only have really 16G to play with the other half is for user stuff.
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Originally posted by LoveRPi View PostHardware is easy and marginal cost. Software is upfront and difficult.
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Originally posted by Danielsan View PostI am not pretty sure about Flatpak... I have not idea how space requires APK but I have installed 6 application with Flatpak and each of them requires almost 1GB of memory...
Code:$ flatpak list org.gimp.GIMP net.scribus.Scribus org.kde.krita org.freecadweb.FreeCAD io.atom.Atom $ du -chs /var/lib/flatpak/ 5.0G /var/lib/flatpak/ 5.0G total
Download size installation could be higher
1. org.gnome.Platform aarch64 3.32 flathub < 342,9 MB - Locale < 319,8 MB (partial)
4. org.gimp.GIMP aarch64 stable flathub < 102,9 MB
1. org.kde.Platform aarch64 5.12 flathub < 381,2 MB - Locale < 334,0 MB (partial)
3. org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita aarch64 5.12 flathub < 5,4 MB
5. net.scribus.Scribus aarch64 stable flathub < 129,9 MB
1. org.kde.Platform aarch64 5.11 flathub < 346,0 MB - Locale < 195,1 MB (partial)
2. org.freedesktop.Platform.ffmpeg aarch64 1.6 flathub < 2,3 MB
5. org.kde.krita aarch64 stable flathub < 101,2 MB - Locale < 4,6 MB (partial)Last edited by Toggleton; 06 September 2019, 10:20 AM.
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Originally posted by L_A_G View PostFor those not familiar with the release state of the Jolla 1; The device was supposed to based on a Texas Instruments SoC and was even ready for mass production, but months from launch TI announced they were pulling out of the smartphone market with no warning. As a result Jolla had re-engineer the device based on a Qualcomm SoC in a crazy rush
Jolla could only survive the switch to Qualcomm by inventing libhybris which they have been using ever since.
Originally posted by msotirovA smartphone is not a laptop replacement though. Linux is quite easy on the RAM usage. With a little custom memory management in user space, I could easily see them getting it as lightweight as iOS, which does fine on 2 GB RAM. Oh wait, pureOS is based on Gnome, then 3 Gigs might not be enough
Originally posted by cynical View PostIt would be a different story if the Linux community (particularly Gnome) had cared at all about mobile, but since they do not seem to, Purism has to invent the mobile interface themselves, make the GTK widgets adaptable, fix any papercuts involved in running Linux on a mobile device, and also build the hardware and upstream drivers.
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I am not pretty sure about Flatpak... I have not idea how space requires APK but I have installed 6 application with Flatpak and each of them requires almost 1GB of memory...
Code:$ flatpak list org.gimp.GIMP net.scribus.Scribus org.kde.krita org.freecadweb.FreeCAD io.atom.Atom $ du -chs /var/lib/flatpak/ 5.0G /var/lib/flatpak/ 5.0G total
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Originally posted by blackiwid View Postclearly 1mio times worse than what librem does.
Appart from that they are extremely open about what they do. All their stuff is in GIT, you can watch it being made. I have never seen such detailed report on the manufacturing process all the steps of what they are doing and what the state is in any other hardware product. They are completely honest and open about it.
Sure, the price tag may put some off, but there is a lot of R&D that goes into this and they are doing most of it in a country and in an industry where salaries are high, otherwise you just don't get the people to do it. I'm absolutely willing to pay that and if you don't, then just don't, go do something else.
And also, WTF is wrong with all the Pine fanboys here and of reddit or wherever you go. I'm absolutely thrilled that there are multiple products in multiple segments that have somewhat similar goals and where we can support each other with building that Linux mobile eccosystem. But in every fucking thread about the Librem you have multiple people that just completely shit on the Librem5 or Purism because they are the Pine64 followers and everything has to be about some fucking stupid tribal identity this days where you have to hate on everyone not agreeing with your views. WTF is wrong with you people?
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