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  • #21
    brent You see dishonesty. I see transparency.

    The phone or software is not even the product. They try to distribute Freedom and Privacy.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by retardxfce View Post
      Purisms target audience are gullible autists who will gobble up any supposed ""privacy"" snake oil.
      That you, debianxfce ?

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      • #23
        Originally posted by 144Hz View Post
        brent You see dishonesty. I see transparency.

        The phone or software is not even the product. They try to distribute Freedom and Privacy.
        Sorry, but are you deluded somehow? They've been keeping everyone in the dark about progress with hardware development for a long time. Even now, they provide very little details. How is that transparency?

        Gladly, there's another company that *actually* not only preaches transparency, but also practices it - Pine.

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        • #24
          Take your time purism. I can wait.

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          • #25
            The Pine phone and the Librem5 both have the same problem: Not enough RAM. I had a Motorola Atrix phone back in 2011/2012. 1gb of ram was pathetic on a phone back then. Just as 2-3gb is pathetic now. These open source phones really need to lift the amount of RAM to 4-6GB. Especially if people want to use them as a laptop replacement. The killer app for a modern Linux phone should be to plug it into a screen/keyboard/mouse and be able to use it for programming/network engineering replacing a laptop. The problem is none of these phones have enough RAM to do that. Storage is no longer an issue. 400-500GB SDCards are cheap. The lack of RAM is a real problem. The other main use of these phones is adblock on internet connections.

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            • #26
              Looks like a lot of people have gotten used to getting cheaper products in return for giving up their privacy that they forgot how pricing used to be back in the days.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by brent View Post

                Sorry, but are you deluded somehow? They've been keeping everyone in the dark about progress with hardware development for a long time. Even now, they provide very little details. How is that transparency?

                Gladly, there's another company that *actually* not only preaches transparency, but also practices it - Pine.
                I'm as excited about the PinePhone as anyone, but they are doing the same thing as Librem if you look at Pine's blog today - they are sending out a series of batches of not-quite-complete phones starting in October to developers only. Without a final OS. They are hoping to ship to consumers in March. Pine is simply doing it for less money.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by DMJC View Post
                  The Pine phone and the Librem5 both have the same problem: Not enough RAM. I had a Motorola Atrix phone back in 2011/2012. 1gb of ram was pathetic on a phone back then. Just as 2-3gb is pathetic now. These open source phones really need to lift the amount of RAM to 4-6GB. Especially if people want to use them as a laptop replacement. The killer app for a modern Linux phone should be to plug it into a screen/keyboard/mouse and be able to use it for programming/network engineering replacing a laptop. The problem is none of these phones have enough RAM to do that. Storage is no longer an issue. 400-500GB SDCards are cheap. The lack of RAM is a real problem. The other main use of these phones is adblock on internet connections.
                  Yeah, the videos I've seen of the PinePhone in action make it look pretty slow. Both Ram and cpu are underpowered compared to modern phones. I'm excited about having a phone that is more protective of privacy and more able to work with free software, but it's a good idea to lower the expectations for how much it can replace your current higher powered phone.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by andyprough View Post
                    I'm as excited about the PinePhone as anyone, but they are doing the same thing as Librem if you look at Pine's blog today - they are sending out a series of batches of not-quite-complete phones starting in October to developers only. Without a final OS. They are hoping to ship to consumers in March. Pine is simply doing it for less money.
                    No, this isn't at all comparable. Purism is sending out prototypes, but treating it as shipment of the final and ready phone. Pine is saying it clear and loud that these are prototypes and designed for developers. That is a *huge* difference. The Pine blog post is also good example of how real transparency looks like.

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                    • #30
                      That isn’t the way I read this article. Frankly this news has killed any desire to dig deeper.

                      Originally posted by dos1 View Post

                      From software point of view, all of those batches (maybe except the last one) are esentially the same device.

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