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  • #31
    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    The disable in the app setting menu will disable the application and delete any update to it (freeing up space in the user partition).

    It can't delete the app from the (read-only) system partition, of course, but you don't need that.
    Unless if you root your phone, but even then deleting many google apps breaks the phone and that's why building the OS is the only choice. Of course if you had your way rooting wouldn't be an option.... AOSP wouldn't even exist and building a sane configuration without google apps wouldn't even be possible.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by duby229 View Post
      Unless if you root your phone, but even then deleting many google apps breaks the phone and that's why building the OS is the only choice.
      Don't you understand the meaning of "disabled"?
      Disabled applications are not running nor available to be launched and are not doing any harm.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
        Don't you understand the meaning of "disabled"?
        Disabled applications are not running nor available to be launched and are not doing any harm.
        Except that, as already explained, when google says "disabled", it's still there!! Just not in memory.... It's no better than MS giving the ability to "disable" IE....

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        • #34
          Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
          Don't you understand the meaning of "disabled"?
          Disabled applications are not running nor available to be launched and are not doing any harm.
          "Trust us"

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          • #35
            Originally posted by duby229 View Post
            Except that, as already explained, when google says "disabled", it's still there!! Just not in memory.... It's no better than MS giving the ability to "disable" IE....
            Yes, "disabled" means it's still in the storage, but not used, which means it won't relay any information to anything.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by andyprough View Post
              "Trust us"
              Can be confirmed by packet capture or any other mean. Also AOSP source code contains this feature, as it is Android settings, not Google App settings.

              You are actually Google's best fanboys. Going so overboard with this raging paranoia will consolidate in other people the association between distrust (even a sane amount, which is good) and paranoid bullshit.

              Similar to what some unnamed agency did to cover up spy planes and plane research facilities by foraging "ufologists" and other morons.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                Couldn't you just go and disable the applications and services from the app settings menu?
                No, I couldn't! It is not a hard-disable (which ensures there isn't any Google crap) but rather a soft-disable. I am pretty sure that even after disabling these apps/services, something may be still running.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                  Don't you understand the meaning of "disabled"?
                  Disabled applications are not running nor available to be launched and are not doing any harm.
                  What about those possible hidden services that get installed when installing the Google apps?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
                    No, I couldn't! It is not a hard-disable (which ensures there isn't any Google crap) but rather a soft-disable. I am pretty sure that even after disabling these apps/services, something may be still running.
                    Huh? Wtf does that even mean. If an app is disabled it is not started and won't be available even if called by others.

                    Try to run stuff that relies on Google Play services (mostly games I guess) and they will crash or throw errors, not start the disabled application.

                    What about those possible hidden services that get installed when installing the Google apps?
                    As long as you select "show system applications" or similar you will see their contacts sync, calendar sync, location sync and package installer service, and a setup wizard (the application that runs when you first power up the phone), usually obvious enough as Google's.
                    They are "system apps" as most of other Google services, but they are all just apps and can be disabled.

                    Their full name (the apk name) can be found in the list here, you can get the "user-friendly name" by searching the apk name on the internet.
                    https://github.com/opengapps/opengap...shelper.sh#L65
                    It's a script of the OpenGapps project, which is a (opensource) system that generates a installer to install Google's binary applications and services on AOSP/LineageOS/whatever.

                    It is technically legal but almost always used to install Google stuff on devices running firmware that is not certified by Google, which is a breach of the Google services license.
                    It's a long while that this exists, and Google is mysteriously 100% ignoring it. How could it be I wonder.


                    You really need to understand that Google is not Microsoft (which is not changed significantly, regardless of all the PR it's throwing around), Google has a completely reversed approach. They want to lure you in, not lock you down.

                    The whole point of Android is to create a big fat bait for people to *WANT* to install Google services (as that's where most of the apps and Android ecosystem is, and 100% of Google's ) even on firmware that isn't certified. More on this below.

                    They fully know power users can just reflash the whole goddamn firmware with AOSP (that is provided by themselves), why would they even feel the need to be stealthy.
                    They are applying the same concept that makes software piracy more beneficial than harmful for a lot of common software (say Adobe stuff).
                    Keeping people on Android is still a good thing even if they don't use Google services, because this defuses a lot of the need for another "more free" platform.
                    Android is free enough for most power users to not need to find an alternative. Boom, job done. Google has killed most of the competition, at a very affordable price (the amount of $$ they make for each individual user is not terribly large).

                    That's one of the reasons I prefer Google as a benevolent overlord over Apple or Microsoft. They don't go power-tripping and leave power users remarkably free.
                    Last edited by starshipeleven; 09-04-2019, 05:15 PM.

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                    • #40
                      starshipeleven Good luck arguing imaginary scenarios (e.g. "I am pretty sure" or "possible hidden services")

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