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  • Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
    I don't quite get what you are trying to suggest. I view installing applications wia Flatpack optional. So, that problem is solved by me just not using Flatpack.
    Their store is going to be based around flatpaks, so you have not much choice, unless you don't want to install apps at all.
    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...Store-Flatpaks
    But what is the point of using smartphone without apps? I mean, this is an essential idea about smartphones - to install apps. If you don't need them, why don't you pick up a feature phone? What is wrong with cheap phones with KaiOS or existing Linux-based smartphones?

    Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
    Do you have any suggestion for a better hardened-security smartphone? Of course, while keeping to the slogan "the phone you can truly own", with no blobs, hardware backdoors, idiotic vulnerabilities etc...
    I have some ideas for improving Flatpak security, but it's a topic for a longer discussion. Much longer.

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    • Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
      Can't you "truly own a phone" that is just a phone? The hardware here is not really desktop-like.
      Nah, I would like my phone to also be a desktop if I wanted.
      Definitively.
      The hardware is sufficient for a basic desktop. The only thing missing are good GPU drivers.

      Perhaps carry an adapter: USB-C to HDMI & DisplayPort & USB-A.

      But then what if USB-C port breaks?

      Either it must have 2 USB-C ports, or USB-C port must be provided on a user-replaceable daughterboard...

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      • Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
        Well it has a USB type C, which is basically the new standard for docking stations or you can have dongles that convert to whatever you need including standard monitor or USB connectors. I think the hardware is still a bit low for an actual workstation, but if you do only some office stuff or browsing this might just work.
        I am a programmer. I started progreamming on 486. So anything better than a 486 is great.

        It needs to run Geany, NetBeans, CodeLite, CodeBlocks, a few more simple IDEs, desktop Firefox (including YouTube), LibreOffice. Well, that's it, more or less.

        A dongle is OK. The USB-C then must be able to provide a DisplayPort & HDMI mode.

        And there should be some insurance against USB-C port breaking.

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        • Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
          The hardware is sufficient for a basic desktop. The only thing missing are good GPU drivers.
          It's using etnaviv, it's not bad.

          Perhaps carry an adapter: USB-C to HDMI & DisplayPort & USB-A.
          And a power-in jack to connect a power supply too.

          Another thing that would make a lot of sense on this hardware if you want to use it with another screen is wireless screen with Miracast (Android wireless screen protocol) support. There is an application for Linux to do that https://github.com/albfan/miraclecast

          so you can screencast to a TV supporting Miracast, or to a wireless dongle connected to the monitor.

          Then you use bluetooth for keyboard/mouse.

          But then what if USB-C port breaks?
          USB-C is more durable than Micro-USB.
          But yeah, having it on a daughterboard would be a good idea.

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          • Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
            I am a programmer. I started progreamming on 486. So anything better than a 486 is great.

            It needs to run Geany, NetBeans, CodeLite, CodeBlocks, a few more simple IDEs, desktop Firefox (including YouTube), LibreOffice. Well, that's it, more or less.
            You can't run this software on a 486

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            • Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
              That was absolutely not what I was talking about. I was referring to the STANDARDS people apply when they talk about phones. For some reasons some people are absolutely into free software and open source but when it comes to their phones they drop those values because they don't see it as a computer they can control but just a device with software from the manufacturer and proprietary apps are no concern somehow.
              I have a slightly different approach and I don't mind to use proprietary software. For example, I have no problem with using NVIDIA drivers.
              Anyway, I have noticed that people talk a lot about open source, but in the end they use proprietary software anyway. Of course, there are exceptions.

              Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
              No one is trying to adapt the UI of desktop applications. They write new frontends and new software just with available linux toolkits
              And it's just a coincidence that the interface looks like a mobile version of GNOME?

              Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
              Yeah I don't like the Purism UI, but I don't have to I can install something else.
              To me, it is like buying MacBook just to install Windows or Linux on it - totally pointless.

              Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
              And you probably have never used an Ubuntu Touch phone, they have absolutely the cleanest and best UI I have ever used on a mobile device.
              All I need is my friend's opinion and reviews.
              - Bad UI design, rather for tablets than smartphones
              - Slow performance (UI and apps)
              - Fairly buggy software
              - Lack of decent apps
              https://www.techradar.com/reviews/ph...1315194/review

              Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
              It is an experiment and a risk, maybe they can sell enough hardware to make it profitable, maybe they don't. If they do we will probably see a second generation if they don't, well there are other options popping up like the pine phone. At least it is one more option we have for a phone that goes really far when it comes to user freedom. I only need the device, there are multiple options for software on it, I don't have to use their Pure OS
              If this is just an experiment, I don't want to participate in it with my money.

              Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
              Oh and people who care about free software and controlling their device are fanatics? I would say people who don't care about those things are mindless idiots who don't know what they are talking about, value convenience over security but will probably still blame everyone else and cry really hard if it comes back and bites them in the ass.
              Do you prefer "conspiracy theorists", "paranoid people" or "masochists"? :P

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              • Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
                I am a programmer. I started progreamming on 486. So anything better than a 486 is great.

                It needs to run Geany, NetBeans, CodeLite, CodeBlocks, a few more simple IDEs, desktop Firefox (including YouTube), LibreOffice.
                Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                You can't run this software on a 486
                There were alternatives like BorlandC, TurboC, DJgpp which were as good as the mentioned software.

                Browsers were without Javascript. You could download videos and play them offline. LibreOffice = Word 4.0 .

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                • Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                  It's using etnaviv, it's not bad.
                  Not bad?! It is even worse than Freedreno! It is mainly about OpenGL 2.

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                  • Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                    You can't run this software on a 486
                    Why not? I mean, support for 486-class processors was dropped, somewhat accidentally, in Debian 6.0 (Squeeze), so Debian 5.0 (Lenny), which was released 10 years ago, still supported it.
                    Of course, the performance would be just terrible even on Pentium Pro (the first 686), and barely usable on Pentium III, but I think it should be possible to run this software on 486.

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                    • Originally posted by the_scx View Post
                      Their store is going to be based around flatpaks, so you have not much choice, unless you don't want to install apps at all.

                      But what is the point of using smartphone without apps? I mean, this is an essential idea about smartphones - to install apps. If you don't need them, why don't you pick up a feature phone?
                      Well, I'm imagining this smartphone to be more like a desktop, so I would install everything the same way I do on a desktop.
                      About smartphone functionality, what do I need at all? A dialer, a messager, an alarm clock, a calender and a few touch-friendly viewers. That's all.

                      Originally posted by the_scx View Post
                      What is wrong with cheap phones with KaiOS or existing Linux-based smartphones?
                      I guess it's about control. The phone must be under my control. So: no blobs, no DMA, standard kernel, etc...

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